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GTi-R Turbo?
« on: Jan 16, 2007, 11:34AM »
Hey guys,

I've recently been offered a gti-r turbo very cheap with about 60,000kms on it, it has no shaft play at all. I've got a few questions:

1) will it bolt straight onto the stock manifold - or will i need to get a gti-r one (do these even fit?)
2) approx. when will it come on boost?
3) I've read a bit about them and people seem to suggest putting on a T04B or T04E compressor housing, is this a good idea?
4) Will i have any problems with oil/water lines to the turbo? or intercooler piping?
5) would i be better of with a s14 T28BB or saving up for a GT28RS?

My long term goal is about 200-250awkw (closer to 200 :P) and the car is a HNU13.

Any and all opinions are welcome.

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Re: GTi-R Turbo?
« Reply #1 on: Jan 16, 2007, 12:19PM »
I have just recently put a bigger turbo on my HNU13. Yes you will need a GTiR manifold and it will NOT bolt straight on. If your trying to get that much power, you may want to go a bit bigger. http://www.antrx.com/smf/index.php?topic=10342.30 Read my post about halfway down the page. It details everything I had to do. Im pretty sure The GTiR turbo and the turbo I put on are physically the same size on the outside, so you'd have to do all the same things as I did I would think.
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Re: GTi-R Turbo?
« Reply #2 on: Jan 16, 2007, 12:38PM »
I should probly add that your not gunna make much more power by putting a bigger turbo on. The standard turbo nearly maxes out the injectors already. If you try to put anymore than say 11 PSI into it, it will probably lean out and you will destroy your engine. With the standard turbo, you can safely run 15PSI and as the revs go up, the boost will drop off, this wont happen with a bigger turbo, it will hold 15PSI and you'll be left pushing your car.
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Re: GTi-R Turbo?
« Reply #3 on: Jan 16, 2007, 12:43PM »
I am aware of this :)

If i buy the turbo I probably won't be putting it on for another 3-6 months (at least)

He's only asking $150 so for that price it's hard to say no - I was just curious about how much work it's going to be when i get around to putting it on.
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Re: GTi-R Turbo?
« Reply #4 on: Jan 16, 2007, 12:46PM »
No worries then, did you read my write up. There is a fair bit involved.
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Re: GTi-R Turbo?
« Reply #5 on: Jan 16, 2007, 01:34PM »
I'm pretty sure you can bolt a gtir t28 on the Bluebird manifold, but then you have to grind some material off the block so it’s a better option to fit it to a gtir manifold.

250awkw is going to be a pretty hard figure to get for a hnu13 considering gearbox weaknesses and driveline loss, none of the turbos you have listed will make 250awkw, although you should be able to make over 200awkw with the gtir t28 or the gt28rs.

Here’s my 2c as you are welcoming opinions.

Aim for a lower number maybe between 180-200awkw, it will be easier and depending how you treat the car you should get away with the standard gear set for a while, don’t get a too heavy clutch its better to have a clutch that slips a bit this will give the gearbox a bit of a break. (If your car is auto then I don’t think you have much chance getting much more power out of it without destroying it)

180-200awkw should be great for track work using a fairly small responsive turbo, it should keep you happy. If you want your car to have more power than this and intend it for drag strip use you should ether go the cheaper route of buying a different car, but if you must have a hnu13 drag car id suggest get yourself a ppg gear set and talk to a gearbox specialist about strengthening the casing.

If as I said you want to make a drag car its not only a strong gearbox you will need, for 250awkw you would be best to have the engine built with forged internals and you will need a fairly decent sized turbo (maybe a gt3540 with a .64 exh housing) and with a turbo that size you can forget about mounting it on a bluebird or gtir manifold you will need a custom manifold made up locally or you can buy something from the USA like this http://www.lovefab.com/06/index.php?page=productDetails&primary_id=18

Also with that much power you will need wider wheels, good tyres, decent suspension and of course all the things to actually make that sort of power like ecu, injectors, fuel pump, exhaust...the list goes on.

Honestly if you had a 250awkw hnu13 you would proberly drive it a lot less than you would a nice 200awkw hnu13, trust me my friend has a 260rwkw silvia and he drives it a lot less now that it is 260rwkw than he did when it was only 200rwkw. When cars get to that sort of power level you don’t really want to drive them as much because how dam expensive they are to run and were not just talking fuel you have to consider brakes, tyres and clutches as well. I mean my friend with the 260rwkw Silvia spends $2000 on a set of 4 tyres alone and with that sort of power and that exy tyres he still has traction problems in dry conditions, I know awd would minimise this but still you will be using tyres very quickly.

But if you have the money to spend go for it because 250awkw in a hnu13 would be sweet.

Personally I'm aiming for 170-190awkw in my hnu13 I'm hoping to achieve this with the following:

gt28rs turbo charger on gtir manifold
3" exhaust
550cc injectors
ecu (unsure what type yet, cheep as possible hopefully)
boost controller
possibly cams if I don’t break 180awkw with this setup
(an the mods I already have pod filter, larger FMIC, high-flow fuel pump)

lwsjss's setup is also a very impressive setup using the larger gt2871r

I hope I have shed some light on the subject from my experiences and research I have done for my car.

Anyway speaking from one HNU13 owner to another that’s my 2c.

PS. $150 for a gtir turbo thats in good condition, for that price its worth it even if you only use it for a few months before upgrading.
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Re: GTi-R Turbo?
« Reply #6 on: Jan 16, 2007, 03:25PM »
Wow, nice reply :)

I realise that around 200kw is a much more realistic target then 250kw, but anywhere at all in between those two figures I'd be extremely happy with (even 200.1kw ;D). The car Is Automatic, but I'm planning on beefing it up or converting to manual (honestly I would prefer to keep the automatic as the car is a daily driver and I'm slack, but the power gain from converting to manual may be worth it - I'm yet to decide).

I guess I'll just buy the turbo and hold onto it for now, until i get money sorted for all the fuel system jazz.

No worries then, did you read my write up. There is a fair bit involved.

Yeh I've been following your project :) Will be interesting to see how it goes on the dyno.
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Re: GTi-R Turbo?
« Reply #7 on: Jan 16, 2007, 04:47PM »
Convert it to manual mate.

You won't regret it.  I would do that FIRST as doing this alone will give you 10 more kw's at the wheels (or it did in my case!)
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Re: GTi-R Turbo?
« Reply #8 on: Jan 16, 2007, 06:40PM »
I think realistically we've all got the right idea on power and how much our cars can handle without spending big bucks and breaking things.
I'm looking around 200kw atw's too, not too fussed on max power though would rather have a nice daily driver then track car on weekends.

As of last jan (before cams and IC) I had 145 kw on 12-13psi
When I get my turbo put on next month I should be looking around the high 180's on stockish boost.

Also with the gtir manifolds, are they hard to get hold of and whats the difference between theirs and ours?
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Re: GTi-R Turbo?
« Reply #9 on: Jan 30, 2007, 02:51PM »
GTiR manifold is a bit better flowing than the u13, but the important thing about the GTiR manifold is they space the turbo off the block more than the u12/u13 manifold.

There fairly easy to get, I bought one off a member of this forum for $150, there pritty common item to find on www.pulsar.org.au as well
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Re: GTi-R Turbo?
« Reply #10 on: Jan 31, 2007, 08:58AM »
if anyone has seen any recently for sale can they let me know :)
manifold I mean
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Re: GTi-R Turbo?
« Reply #11 on: Jan 31, 2007, 12:36PM »
is the gtir manifold a straight bolt on still using the stock turbo?
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Re: GTi-R Turbo?
« Reply #12 on: Jan 31, 2007, 01:35PM »
I've found a guy selling one, he's also got a gtir dump pipe, is that worth getting too, or would that be a waste of cash?
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Re: GTi-R Turbo?
« Reply #13 on: Jan 31, 2007, 01:50PM »
GTiR dump is identical to the HNU12 one I have (or SSS has at the moment).  So I don't think it would be any better Marty.
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Re: GTi-R Turbo?
« Reply #14 on: Jan 31, 2007, 02:21PM »
cheers, yeh I read on pulsar.org that its a pile of poo like ours,
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