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Ca20e power advice (again)
« on: Oct 14, 2003, 10:37PM »
A stock ca20e makes 78kw when brand new so just how much power could i have lost in the 16 years the car has been on the road ? im assuming about 6kw at the moment  :-\ Also is 100kw really attainable in a car of my age ? as ive said before im thinking bout extractors + 2inch zorst a cam & if possible a chip but only if it's cheap :P  the big problem is i don't think all of that will be quite enough to get to the 100 mark  :-\ So are there any other less std mods (still on the cheap side guys im not made of money, probably noting over $500) ive heard the U12 r31 made 82-83kw std, im not sure if that was because it was fwd drive... but i had also heard that the u12 had a diffrent coil set up, witch im quite intrested in learning about.

I know it sounds exactly like the first post i ever made but the more i think about it the less sure i am of reaching the 100 mark  :'(

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Re:Ca20e power advice (again)
« Reply #1 on: Oct 14, 2003, 11:37PM »
what about a cam? that'd give you a bit more.

for your mods.. allow around the following figures for your increases in power.. its usually fairly spot on. take the following percentages from your stock figure..

pod/cai - 3-5%
exhaust - 5-8%
extractors - 3-5% sometimes more in rwd's
hi flow cat - 2-3%
cam (depends on grind) - anywhere from 5-15%
chip (depends on mapping & other mods) - 5-10%

so you could probably be looking at around 95-99-ish kw if you get average -> low increases..

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Re:Ca20e power advice (again)
« Reply #2 on: Oct 15, 2003, 12:07AM »
Hey im curious on the cam as well (I got a CA20e as well cle  ;))
anyway, Noss, i think somewhere u wrote about the camshaft and a price?? but i cant remember: - anyway

just curious on a ball park figure of a cam whether you can get a cam, grind it and then give it to me and ill give u my old one? Obviously, id pay u first... but just curious whether its within my budget, cheers! :thumbs:
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Re:Ca20e power advice (again)
« Reply #3 on: Oct 15, 2003, 12:08AM »
ya i said a cam :P at the moment im just waiting for you to post up the DIY so i know how to go about it with out stufing any thing up lol Like i said im worried about the ware&tare on the engine after 16 years of use, ive heard of younger cars losing up to 10kw !!! so im scared LOL

Based on the figures using the lowest in all cases bar the cam, witch should ruddy well make at least 10kw with the antrx grind, even on my old warn out cam, the car should make about 96kw... that's also using 72kw as my actual STD power, witch is what i have to aim at cause of the age of me car. Using 78 and thoes figures i got 103. So it's not as bad as i though but ill just have to save up for some of it lol i didn't plan on getting the cat since there almost a wast of money.


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Re:Ca20e power advice (again)
« Reply #4 on: Oct 15, 2003, 12:17AM »
ya i said a cam

oh yeah you did too  :P

if you can find a cam shaft (both of you) it would make life a shitload easier.. fwd cam cant be used in rwd car & vice versa. i will have install info up soonish.. i'm just a bit busy at the moment..

grind will cost between $100-130


as for power loos in an old car, i wouldnt worry, it wouldnt be as large as most people think.. sometimes people say it is huge though cause their manufacturer had overquoted the original figure to try help sell the car.

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Re:Ca20e power advice (again)
« Reply #5 on: Oct 15, 2003, 12:24AM »
Good good, another thing though... new cam.. i know there about 150-300, but just how much more gain would i get with a new one instead of getting my 282,000km one done ? and finally, you regrind's would sute a r31 pinny ca20 now wouldnt they ? it's always been a bit unclear to me if all ca20's are the same or very simler since theres quite a few diffrent makes of cars with em.

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Re:Ca20e power advice (again)
« Reply #6 on: Oct 15, 2003, 12:34AM »
ca20's are all same internally apparently.. maybe a slightly different cam..

from what i've researched, people are claiming around 10-15kw from their ca20e cams.

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Re:Ca20e power advice (again)
« Reply #7 on: Oct 15, 2003, 11:11AM »
from what i've researched, people are claiming around 10-15kw from their ca20e cams.

You serious noss? 10-15kw?  Thats a fair increase.

I'm still up for this cam as well mate ;D
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Re:Ca20e power advice (again)
« Reply #8 on: Oct 15, 2003, 11:37AM »
well thats just what a bunch of americans are claiming.. it may be right, it may be wrong.. i cant make any 100% gaurantees as none of you guys have gotten a cam yet.

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Re:Ca20e power advice (again)
« Reply #9 on: Oct 15, 2003, 05:05PM »
I reckon it would be interesting to see how a ca20e would go with rebuilt mtr, ported head, cam, oversized stainless steel valves, stiffer valve springs, quad throttle bodies, EMS computer.  I reckon u'd have a little pocket rocket.  The only thing is, is that it'll be quite expensive to get the above work done!!

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Re:Ca20e power advice (again)
« Reply #10 on: Oct 15, 2003, 06:13PM »
ya recon the engine could take 2,25 zorst ? ya im definatly getting a cam but i can't afford to fuk the car up LOL so at the moment i dono if im buying a new low km one or using the old....  If noss could find me a cheapie low km one id get it done within the week with the price of the cam && grind etc :p i don't really have the time at the moment to look my self, lass at work went and broke her leg so im covering her & getting long hours, might finally get my tail lights from the wreckers if im lucky & they don't call me in on the week end lol

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Re:Ca20e power advice (again)
« Reply #11 on: Oct 15, 2003, 06:20PM »
about 120 - 130 i think, thats about the average cost panel beaters have been putting on quotes i've been getting, thats for u12 tho, dunno how much that'd vary for r31s lights

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Re:Ca20e power advice (again)
« Reply #12 on: Oct 16, 2003, 12:20PM »
i made a call or two about the tail lights.. no luck..

i'm looking for a cam for you..

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Re:Ca20e power advice (again)
« Reply #13 on: Oct 16, 2003, 07:22PM »
Great stuff noss, like i said earler im getting tail lights this week & maybe a wiper arm if i can afford it so it'll be a week or two before i can send down a money order if you find one, that's assuming my tail lights are $150... if there cheaper then i may very well have the money by next wednesday.

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Re:Ca20e power advice (again)
« Reply #14 on: Jan 12, 2004, 07:51PM »
I reckon it would be interesting to see how a ca20e would go with rebuilt mtr.

my ca20 in my corsair has been rebuilt, i have pod, Cai setup to behind the front bar, extractors, 2 inch exaust. and my car can take a stock VR commy :) so with all that other stuff you mentioned it would go allright

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Re: Ca20e power advice (again)
« Reply #15 on: Jan 12, 2004, 10:41PM »
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sometimes people say it is huge though cause their manufacturer had overquoted the original figure to try help sell the car.

i doubt nissan, or other car manufacturers, would be overquoting too much to sell pintara gli's :P  power and performance certainly wouldnt've been their selling point when they were released! ::)
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Re: Ca20e power advice (again)
« Reply #16 on: Mar 14, 2004, 08:38PM »
well thats just what a bunch of americans are claiming.. it may be right, it may be wrong.. i cant make any 100% gaurantees as none of you guys have gotten a cam yet.


this is also what our cam guys reckon.. they have ca20e cams for when you guys are ready to get them, and they reckon they're good for 15hp

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Re: Ca20e power advice (again)
« Reply #17 on: Mar 14, 2004, 08:42PM »
OK, for all you ca20e guys there is hope.
a member of club-s12 claims to have done a dyno run & got these figures;-
176hp @ mtr. :o
128.26kw @ wheels. :-X
qtr. mile;- 16.43 sec.
???????????????????
only mods, extractors & exhaust.
obviously a dodgy dyno run. the dyno's printer wasn't working.
but yeah, there you go, do those mods & your'e gunna kick arse.
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Re: Ca20e power advice (again)
« Reply #18 on: Mar 15, 2004, 08:54AM »
128kw. i find that hard to believe. with ya zorst, pod,cam, chip. it will be a fun little engine.all as i need now is th chip and cam ;D ;D
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Re: Ca20e power advice (again)
« Reply #19 on: Mar 15, 2004, 09:22AM »
apparently [email protected] = about [email protected] so he's only lost about 6hp. through the drivetrain, so there's definately something wrong with those figures. anyhow i think i'll get all my figures from the track/dragstrip.
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Re: Ca20e power advice (again)
« Reply #20 on: Mar 16, 2004, 08:12AM »
thats the way, dynos i rekon are just a ego booster unless ur dyno tuning it
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Re: Ca20e power advice (again)
« Reply #21 on: Mar 16, 2004, 12:31PM »
they're good to see where your at though.

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Re: Ca20e power advice (again)
« Reply #22 on: Mar 16, 2004, 12:48PM »
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Re: Ca20e power advice (again)
« Reply #23 on: Apr 6, 2004, 02:13PM »
apparently this guy stuffed up, he reckons they actually only gave him the at motor readout.
still don't see how he could get [email protected] the mtr. with just extractors & exhaust.
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Re: Ca20e power advice (again)
« Reply #24 on: Apr 6, 2004, 03:46PM »
I thought the euro cam was rated at 10kw while the KA cam was 15.... ?

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Re: Ca20e power advice (again)
« Reply #25 on: Apr 6, 2004, 03:51PM »
the cam guys they dont recommend the euro cam as its very similar to our aussie cams already.

there are some bigger and better cams available for the ca20 when you want one which also give around 15kw

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Re: Ca20e power advice (again)
« Reply #26 on: Apr 9, 2004, 03:27PM »
What would u say a, i guess, a CA20E Cam that doesnt stuff round ur idle..when would that make its power in the rev range?
My CA20E seems to pull from about 4700rpm-4900rpm onwards,
it hasnt been taken above 5500rpm but it feels like it could keep goin nicley to 6500rpm.
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Re: Ca20e power advice (again)
« Reply #27 on: Apr 9, 2004, 04:02PM »
The FWD U12 CA20E's make peak torque at 4000rpm... that might be why your gazelle appears 'quicker' once you get to that point.  I'm not sure on where peak torque is on your car however nissanman.
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Re: Ca20e power advice (again)
« Reply #28 on: Apr 9, 2004, 05:11PM »
Mine is suppose to make it at 3200rpm stock.
What is a CA20E U12 Pintara's redline start at?
Mine is at 6000rpm till 8.

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Re: Ca20e power advice (again)
« Reply #29 on: Apr 9, 2004, 07:19PM »
My redline is around 6000rpm (no point going much higher than 5500rpm though).  Rev limiter is 6500rpm.

I think the FWD CA20E's were tuned for more top end versus torque (not by much though).
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