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Re: interchangeable parts?
« Reply #60 on: Jul 24, 2007, 11:18AM »
Just to clarify, CD20 crank will fit the main caps... but the size of the counterweights will not clear the block. Minor modifications are needed to clear.

CD20 crank is fully counterweighted, 8 bolt config, and forged. Extremely reliable (and a heavy bastard too).

The rod width is also much larger than the stock ca20 rods. Custom rods will be needed.

CD version engine came in CD20E and CD20ET versions.

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Re: interchangeable parts?
« Reply #61 on: Jul 24, 2007, 02:46PM »
i've got a couple of RNU12 ones.

indicator stalks are the same as the corsair and the R31.
interior door lock surround is the same as R31.
S13 clutch fits but GTiR??? throwout bearing is needed.
Pintara clutch lines are the same

Will think of more later.

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Re: interchangeable parts?
« Reply #62 on: Jul 24, 2007, 06:25PM »
interior door lock surround is the same as R31.

Only on the pillar-less cars remember luke :)

Yes, S13 clutch fits using GTiR throw out bearing.

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Re: interchangeable parts?
« Reply #63 on: Jul 25, 2007, 07:02PM »
Have you checked out Skyline rear wipers Budgie? R33 coupes all had wipers on the rear, not sure about other models.
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Re: interchangeable parts?
« Reply #64 on: Jul 25, 2007, 07:04PM »
Have you checked out Skyline rear wipers Budgie? R33 coupes all had wipers on the rear, not sure about other models.

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Re: interchangeable parts?
« Reply #65 on: Jul 25, 2007, 11:18PM »
Just to clarify, CD20 crank will fit the main caps... but the size of the counterweights will not clear the block. Minor modifications are needed to clear.

The CD20 came in AWD U13 Bluebirds as well Ed (auto and manual), just for interests sake.
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Re: interchangeable parts?
« Reply #66 on: Aug 5, 2007, 12:51PM »
Just to clarify, CD20 crank will fit the main caps... but the size of the counterweights will not clear the block. Minor modifications are needed to clear.

CD20 crank is fully counterweighted, 8 bolt config, and forged. Extremely reliable (and a heavy bastard too).

The rod width is also much larger than the stock ca20 rods. Custom rods will be needed.

CD version engine came in CD20E and CD20ET versions.

Yeah, it's the holy grail setup, i've not found a suitable rod donor from any nissan or mitsubishi motor so far.
I think its very likely custom rods is the only way.

I'd like to build one up but now my setup will not be happy with 20mm higher head port height!

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Re: interchangeable parts?
« Reply #67 on: Aug 5, 2007, 07:43PM »
Hey, Is there any more info on the CA18de head on a CA20 or a thread that goes into more detail
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Re: interchangeable parts?
« Reply #68 on: Aug 5, 2007, 08:31PM »
eurisko's project thread should be the best bet
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Re: interchangeable parts?
« Reply #69 on: Sep 4, 2007, 01:54AM »
Something just clicked...

I saw a U13 ARX Bluebird at the wreckers the other day... I looked under the bonnet and thought "diesel... weird." but it just clicked that it's probably a CD20 and probably has a full counterbalanced crank.

Did U13 Diesels only come with CD20 engines?

I'm thinking about going down there and offering them $200 to take the engine out and dump it in my trailer.
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Re: interchangeable parts?
« Reply #70 on: Sep 4, 2007, 11:27AM »
U13

this is what i have according to the brochure:

sss limited attesa - sr20det
sss-g/sss-g attesa - sr20de
sss-v - sr18de
sss/sss attesa - sr18de
arx-z - sr20de
arx-g/arx-g attesa - sr20de & cd20 (diesel)
arx-v - sr18de
arx - sr18de & cd20 (diesel)
eex-l/eex-l attesa - cd20 (diesel)
eex - ga16de

So absolutely. CD20. Check the plate on the firewall... should have cd20 written somewhere.

Oh, but if ur looking at using the crank... look at using the rods as well... better yet, get me an engine as well :P

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Re: interchangeable parts?
« Reply #71 on: Sep 5, 2007, 11:49AM »
Times have changed everyone is wanting diesels now. Go the diesels.
Your car may be able to go faster.
But I can go any where. except into a garage, underground carpark, bridge...

2 sticks and manual locking hubs. have to get out to drive it around
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Re: interchangeable parts?
« Reply #72 on: Sep 7, 2007, 01:47PM »
Times have changed everyone is wanting diesels now. Go the diesels.

Only to sacrifice them for their cranks. :)

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Re: interchangeable parts?
« Reply #73 on: Oct 16, 2007, 11:03AM »
'93 U13 B&M short throw will fit U12.....have it installed.
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Re: interchangeable parts?
« Reply #74 on: Oct 26, 2007, 05:08PM »
Quick q -- might be a stupid one too.

Would U13 springs fit on a U12 -- like the front and/or the rears? Parts are kinda hard to get by from where I am for the U12.
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Re: interchangeable parts?
« Reply #75 on: Oct 26, 2007, 05:10PM »
Pretty sure fronts do but rears don't. There is a thread around here with the info

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Re: interchangeable parts?
« Reply #76 on: Oct 27, 2007, 11:35AM »
Pretty sure fronts do but rears don't. There is a thread around here with the info

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1) u13 front springs/struts are at least 50% wider diameter than u12 providing extra stiffness. Rear springs are same as u12.

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So would this mean I can use the fronts but would be a tad stiffer? Rears definitely would be a bolt-on.
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Re: interchangeable parts?
« Reply #77 on: Oct 27, 2007, 03:09PM »
No you can't use the fronts, they're a larger diameter spring and would fall straight past the lower spring seat.
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Re: interchangeable parts?
« Reply #78 on: Oct 28, 2007, 03:26AM »
Just to clarify, CD20 crank will fit the main caps... but the size of the counterweights will not clear the block. Minor modifications are needed to clear.

CD20 crank is fully counterweighted, 8 bolt config, and forged. Extremely reliable (and a heavy bastard too).

The rod width is also much larger than the stock ca20 rods. Custom rods will be needed.

CD version engine came in CD20E and CD20ET versions.

The CD series engine also came as CD17. Found in Primera's, Pulsars etc.
Your car may be able to go faster.
But I can go any where. except into a garage, underground carpark, bridge...

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Re: interchangeable parts?
« Reply #79 on: Apr 10, 2009, 11:24AM »
does any1 no wat throttle body wud easily fit a u12 pintara ca20e?

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Re: interchangeable parts?
« Reply #80 on: Apr 10, 2009, 12:09PM »
does any1 no wat throttle body wud easily fit a u12 pintara ca20e?

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Re: interchangeable parts?
« Reply #81 on: Apr 11, 2009, 12:10AM »
jus goin bak to the talk bout short shifters b4, does cuttin the shifter say halfway down if not a quater, will that giv the same effects as a short shifter cos i did it to mine awhile ago and the shifter is definately shorter lol

did i just answer my question?

also i read on here that the pintaras have the same spleen as the s13 180sx's so u can use their boss kits ;D

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Re: interchangeable parts?
« Reply #82 on: Apr 11, 2009, 12:56AM »
jus goin bak to the talk bout short shifters b4, does cuttin the shifter say halfway down if not a quater, will that giv the same effects as a short shifter cos i did it to mine awhile ago and the shifter is definately shorter lol

did i just answer my question?

also i read on here that the pintaras have the same spleen as the s13 180sx's so u can use their boss kits ;D

that will shorten the lever but not actually change the throw, as mentioned earlier you need to cut and weld in a small section below the pivot point to mke a true short shifter.


and i hope you mean spline lol... ;D ;D, but yeah, i read that too, s13shave the same spline as pintaras

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Re: interchangeable parts?
« Reply #83 on: Apr 11, 2009, 10:20AM »
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Re: interchangeable parts?
« Reply #84 on: Apr 11, 2009, 10:50AM »
Just to clarify, CD20 crank will fit the main caps... but the size of the counterweights will not clear the block. Minor modifications are needed to clear.


Just on this, if the counterweights hit the block, any machinist with a decent size lathe can turn down the counterweights.

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« Reply #85 on: Jun 3, 2009, 11:56PM »
Just on this, if the counterweights hit the block, any machinist with a decent size lathe can turn down the counterweights.
how much should be taken off the counterweights inorder for them to work??

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Re: interchangeable parts?
« Reply #86 on: Jun 3, 2009, 11:59PM »
Well it depends how much is hitting doesn't it?

I wouldn't go down this CA20/DET route, no offense to Ed and others, but it's alot of work for something that isn't so sure of, sure I can't talk with the whole KA24 thing, but at least a replacement is cheap.
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« Reply #87 on: Jun 4, 2009, 09:07AM »
As chris said, it would be a matter of test fitting that crank into the CA20 block and working it out from there.

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« Reply #88 on: Jun 23, 2009, 01:07AM »
-The rods of the normally aspirated CA20 series of motors are not up to the task, and many tuners use modified Mitsubishi 4G63 con-rods in this application.

-With a larger bore than the CA18, custom, flat topped and forged pistons are a must if boost is to be reliable

-The CA20 did not include the crank girdle support which vastly increased the harmonic resistance of the CA18. But the crank girdle from a CA18DET block will fit the CA20 main caps

-The CA20 also did not include the under piston oil squirters of the CA18, but like the crank girdle, oil squirters from a CA18DET block can be fitted to the CA20 block

- It's possible to fit the DOHC CA18DE/T twincam head to the SOHC CA20 block. However the DOHC/SOHC manifolds are different and the timing pulley/belts are not compatible

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Re: interchangeable parts?
« Reply #89 on: Jun 23, 2009, 03:32AM »
Oil squirters can't be easily fitted.

Oil galleries need to be drilled into the block for them, mounting holes tapped, mounting surfaces machined as well. Lots of precision machining.

IIRC the girdle doesn't fit over the CA20 crank.

I ran cryo treated standard pistons and rods in a CA20ET at 8 psi boost for over 8 months without a problem. (I busted a 2nd hand piston before I got it tuned properly though)
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