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R31 Pintara => performance and handling => Topic started by: Cle on Oct 14, 2003, 10:37PM
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A stock ca20e makes 78kw when brand new so just how much power could i have lost in the 16 years the car has been on the road ? im assuming about 6kw at the moment :-\ Also is 100kw really attainable in a car of my age ? as ive said before im thinking bout extractors + 2inch zorst a cam & if possible a chip but only if it's cheap :P the big problem is i don't think all of that will be quite enough to get to the 100 mark :-\ So are there any other less std mods (still on the cheap side guys im not made of money, probably noting over $500) ive heard the U12 r31 made 82-83kw std, im not sure if that was because it was fwd drive... but i had also heard that the u12 had a diffrent coil set up, witch im quite intrested in learning about.
I know it sounds exactly like the first post i ever made but the more i think about it the less sure i am of reaching the 100 mark :'(
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what about a cam? that'd give you a bit more.
for your mods.. allow around the following figures for your increases in power.. its usually fairly spot on. take the following percentages from your stock figure..
pod/cai - 3-5%
exhaust - 5-8%
extractors - 3-5% sometimes more in rwd's
hi flow cat - 2-3%
cam (depends on grind) - anywhere from 5-15%
chip (depends on mapping & other mods) - 5-10%
so you could probably be looking at around 95-99-ish kw if you get average -> low increases..
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Hey im curious on the cam as well (I got a CA20e as well cle ;))
anyway, Noss, i think somewhere u wrote about the camshaft and a price?? but i cant remember: - anyway
just curious on a ball park figure of a cam whether you can get a cam, grind it and then give it to me and ill give u my old one? Obviously, id pay u first... but just curious whether its within my budget, cheers! :thumbs:
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ya i said a cam :P at the moment im just waiting for you to post up the DIY so i know how to go about it with out stufing any thing up lol Like i said im worried about the ware&tare on the engine after 16 years of use, ive heard of younger cars losing up to 10kw !!! so im scared LOL
Based on the figures using the lowest in all cases bar the cam, witch should ruddy well make at least 10kw with the antrx grind, even on my old warn out cam, the car should make about 96kw... that's also using 72kw as my actual STD power, witch is what i have to aim at cause of the age of me car. Using 78 and thoes figures i got 103. So it's not as bad as i though but ill just have to save up for some of it lol i didn't plan on getting the cat since there almost a wast of money.
cheers noss :)
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ya i said a cam
oh yeah you did too :P
if you can find a cam shaft (both of you) it would make life a shitload easier.. fwd cam cant be used in rwd car & vice versa. i will have install info up soonish.. i'm just a bit busy at the moment..
grind will cost between $100-130
as for power loos in an old car, i wouldnt worry, it wouldnt be as large as most people think.. sometimes people say it is huge though cause their manufacturer had overquoted the original figure to try help sell the car.
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Good good, another thing though... new cam.. i know there about 150-300, but just how much more gain would i get with a new one instead of getting my 282,000km one done ? and finally, you regrind's would sute a r31 pinny ca20 now wouldnt they ? it's always been a bit unclear to me if all ca20's are the same or very simler since theres quite a few diffrent makes of cars with em.
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ca20's are all same internally apparently.. maybe a slightly different cam..
from what i've researched, people are claiming around 10-15kw from their ca20e cams.
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from what i've researched, people are claiming around 10-15kw from their ca20e cams.
You serious noss? 10-15kw? Thats a fair increase.
I'm still up for this cam as well mate ;D
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well thats just what a bunch of americans are claiming.. it may be right, it may be wrong.. i cant make any 100% gaurantees as none of you guys have gotten a cam yet.
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I reckon it would be interesting to see how a ca20e would go with rebuilt mtr, ported head, cam, oversized stainless steel valves, stiffer valve springs, quad throttle bodies, EMS computer. I reckon u'd have a little pocket rocket. The only thing is, is that it'll be quite expensive to get the above work done!!
I will accept all donations!!
lol
Go the cam, 2 1/4 cat back CLE, you'll be happy with a decent difference!! That should only come to around 500ish
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ya recon the engine could take 2,25 zorst ? ya im definatly getting a cam but i can't afford to fuk the car up LOL so at the moment i dono if im buying a new low km one or using the old.... If noss could find me a cheapie low km one id get it done within the week with the price of the cam && grind etc :p i don't really have the time at the moment to look my self, lass at work went and broke her leg so im covering her & getting long hours, might finally get my tail lights from the wreckers if im lucky & they don't call me in on the week end lol
any idear on ow much each full tail light costs ?
money money money...
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about 120 - 130 i think, thats about the average cost panel beaters have been putting on quotes i've been getting, thats for u12 tho, dunno how much that'd vary for r31s lights
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i made a call or two about the tail lights.. no luck..
i'm looking for a cam for you..
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Great stuff noss, like i said earler im getting tail lights this week & maybe a wiper arm if i can afford it so it'll be a week or two before i can send down a money order if you find one, that's assuming my tail lights are $150... if there cheaper then i may very well have the money by next wednesday.
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I reckon it would be interesting to see how a ca20e would go with rebuilt mtr.
my ca20 in my corsair has been rebuilt, i have pod, Cai setup to behind the front bar, extractors, 2 inch exaust. and my car can take a stock VR commy :) so with all that other stuff you mentioned it would go allright
[Barnett]
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sometimes people say it is huge though cause their manufacturer had overquoted the original figure to try help sell the car.
i doubt nissan, or other car manufacturers, would be overquoting too much to sell pintara gli's :PĀ power and performance certainly wouldnt've been their selling point when they were released! ::)
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well thats just what a bunch of americans are claiming.. it may be right, it may be wrong.. i cant make any 100% gaurantees as none of you guys have gotten a cam yet.
this is also what our cam guys reckon.. they have ca20e cams for when you guys are ready to get them, and they reckon they're good for 15hp
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OK, for all you ca20e guys there is hope.
a member of club-s12 claims to have done a dyno run & got these figures;-
176hp @ mtr. :o
128.26kw @ wheels. :-X
qtr. mile;- 16.43 sec.
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only mods, extractors & exhaust.
obviously a dodgy dyno run. the dyno's printer wasn't working.
but yeah, there you go, do those mods & your'e gunna kick arse.
if you want to check out the thread it's in bragging rites;- post is titled holy sh*t.
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128kw. i find that hard to believe. with ya zorst, pod,cam, chip. it will be a fun little engine.all as i need now is th chip and cam ;D ;D
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apparently 128kw@wheels = about 170hp@mtr. so he's only lost about 6hp. through the drivetrain, so there's definately something wrong with those figures. anyhow i think i'll get all my figures from the track/dragstrip.
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thats the way, dynos i rekon are just a ego booster unless ur dyno tuning it
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they're good to see where your at though.
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valid point
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apparently this guy stuffed up, he reckons they actually only gave him the at motor readout.
still don't see how he could get 128kw@ the mtr. with just extractors & exhaust.
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I thought the euro cam was rated at 10kw while the KA cam was 15.... ?
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the cam guys they dont recommend the euro cam as its very similar to our aussie cams already.
there are some bigger and better cams available for the ca20 when you want one which also give around 15kw
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What would u say a, i guess, a CA20E Cam that doesnt stuff round ur idle..when would that make its power in the rev range?
My CA20E seems to pull from about 4700rpm-4900rpm onwards,
it hasnt been taken above 5500rpm but it feels like it could keep goin nicley to 6500rpm.
What u guyz think???
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The FWD U12 CA20E's make peak torque at 4000rpm... that might be why your gazelle appears 'quicker' once you get to that point. I'm not sure on where peak torque is on your car however nissanman.
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Mine is suppose to make it at 3200rpm stock.
What is a CA20E U12 Pintara's redline start at?
Mine is at 6000rpm till 8.
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My redline is around 6000rpm (no point going much higher than 5500rpm though). Rev limiter is 6500rpm.
I think the FWD CA20E's were tuned for more top end versus torque (not by much though).
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Diggin up an old topic here but here goes...
Right so mods im about to do 2 my R31 Pintara CA20E MK1 Series..
60mm KA24E Throttle Body
2.75Inch Mandrel Bend Intake Piping..
Cold Air Induction
Already has K/N AirPod
Mild Stage 2 Regrind Camshaft
PowerChip98 Gold CA20E R31 Pinny
2.25Inch Hiflow Xtractors, Ultra Flow Cat, Full 2.25Inch Zorst piping , Hotdog Muffler
Replace Clutch Fan With - EL Falcon Twin 12Inch Thermos
Right so once ive done all those mods wat is the most i can Advance my Timing to on the Dizzy?? +8 Degrees ?
Cheers...
Brent
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all that money spent and you might have 85kw...wow
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Uh, nice trolling? ::)
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try 110KW ~ 115KW
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Got a dyno sheet?
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on standard pintons and bottom end...a little far fetched i think
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well c im gettin it dynoed soon after the 4th nov...
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Will be interested to see result
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PowerChip98 Gold CA20E R31 Pinny
Please explain how you got a powerchip for the rest of us. According to their website they don't make them, or to quote
"Unfortunately there is no Powerchip upgrade released for the Nissan Pintara 2.0 (RWD) at this time. Your vehicle has been seen by Powerchip but with our current technology we cannot obtain significant gains from it."
You either have your hand on your knob, or you know something we don't, and would appreciate it if you shared it with us.
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yeah i kno!! spewin ay i got this chip off darkhalf from R31... he goes yeah its for a R31 CA20E n im like righteo...
b4 this i new that power chip didnt make 1 for the R31 MK1series i just thought ther site is old...
anyways... because the MK2series is all controlled by the ECU instead of the dizzy...
ive gotta pull my ECU apart and take pix of it 4 Darkhalf 2 tell me what ive gotta do for it 2 still work... cause it will still use the same fuel maps ay...
n yeah so wait out on that info its comming...
Cheers...
Brent
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okay. cool. didn't mean to get stuck into you or anything - it's just that I looked at powerchip and was told FWD you can chip, RWD no go buddy
noss makes chips for U12 pintaras, and not for R31 pintaras, so I assumed that it couldn't be done.
[seymour skinner] prove me wrong, kid[/voice]
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well anything can be done... they could make one but they dont because if they push th ca20e too much.... they pop, and they pop easy. doin a mild tune on a ca20 will yeld piss poor results. and talking from experience, a downright waste of money.
i hope dalkhalf aint yankin ya chain dude
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nah it was a Eprom copy $40...
pinny 2 is fuked :-X after getting the head rebuilt we fired her up 2 day n shes blowin a shitload of smoke n the spark plugs keep on gettin dirty as we reckon the piston rings on the block are fried :-\
i was gonna get the Intakes ported and Polished but $$$ llike $1000 on a flow bench stuff that ay.. culd do em my self a bit but its 2hard.. for the 4-8 kw and u can go backwards as well :-\
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$100 ono for mine. and mine runs great besides a minor oil leak. ull have a spare head too.plus you get a near new clutch and machined flywheel
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are u in SYD - NSW im @ Peakhurst 2210...
i found the problem... i think :P
the head gasket seal is sticking a lil bit out of the back of the head so thats y its leakin oil eveyrwhere...
anotehr 2days to pull the head off
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well anything can be done... they could make one but they dont because if they push th ca20e too much.... they pop, and they pop easy. doin a mild tune on a ca20 will yeld piss poor results. and talking from experience, a downright waste of money.
i hope dalkhalf aint yankin ya chain dude
Are they really that bad?
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NO!! they go hard once u do em up...
Cheers...
Brent...
also can any 1 tell me HOW FAR CAN U ADVANCE THE TIMMING ON A CA20E... also my dizzy is not stock pintara its off another car... but still works fine... its @ like 3/4 advanced u can move it 2 full were the bolts goto n thers SFA difference...