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« on: Aug 26, 2002, 07:30AM »
hi there everyone. i am just about to be the owner of a 89 ti 2.4lt pintara. it is lowered, 16" wheels, extractors, 3" mandrel bend exhaust, powerchip from powerchip australia. first thing i want to do is get more kw out of the ka24e. i was just wondering if u could give me some advice on what engine mods i could do to get a nice increase in power. i read about the quad throttle bodies sounds interesting. what about cams and a port and polish job. how much power would i get from a cam and port and polish job? any other suggestions from anyone would be good. i am in brisbane. cheers. look forward to hearing from you.
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« Reply #1 on: Aug 26, 2002, 10:35AM »
sounds nice :)

u got a picture ?

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Re: pintara modifications
« Reply #2 on: Aug 26, 2002, 12:41PM »
If you want you can email or PM me man I am on the gold coast and know of about 3 to 4 places that can do what ever the heck you want to your car....
I am going to a mini car show on saturday down here you are welcome to come along with me to that.

With headwork and a decent cam maybe you could get at a modest estimate around 15kw, maybe more maybe less it depends on a lot of things. I was told with head work and a cam about 130kw at the flywheel is what I could expect.
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Re: pintara modifications
« Reply #3 on: Aug 27, 2002, 07:04AM »
it really depends on the profile of the cam as to how much power you would get from it..

look in the mod shops section of the site too, there are a few places listed there... apc (advanced performance centre) is a very good place to start.


u should share ur contacts around too awesome trx... no point being greedy now.. we're all here for the same thing.
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Re: pintara modifications
« Reply #4 on: Aug 27, 2002, 12:29PM »
Greedy LOL ----> That's a laugh

Anyone who wants details can PM me and I will give them what they want. As long as I like them hehe  ;)
These guys are in the phone book it is just up to those who wanna do legwork to get to know em a bit and hunt for deals.

Also seems most people here like me are short of cash at the moment so no one is jumping down my throat to get info...

ATM I would say the least amount of members in this group are from Queensland, especially any cars that are modded at all, there is no rush..



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« Reply #5 on: Aug 28, 2002, 05:45AM »
headwork and cam sounds like it might be it. still i am kinda limited in the money i can spend. those quad throttle bodies sounded good....anymore on those? i will try to get a picture to you guys in the near future. i am still unsure on what price to expect to pay for headwork and a cam? what would be an approx price? hey anyone going to the auto saloon in bris in a fortnight?
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Re: pintara modifications
« Reply #6 on: Aug 28, 2002, 06:48AM »
$400 is what I can get you headwork done for, I forget if that includes a cam maybe $150 for a cam to be reground.

I can get detail if you are keen...
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Re: pintara modifications
« Reply #7 on: Aug 28, 2002, 07:43AM »
what about headwork for a 2L awesome_trx?
i know u dont have the highest opinion of them, but sh!t, all the more reason to start spending money to add power! ;D ;D i am in brissie too
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2.0L 4 -------> 3.0L 6. Does this mean a 4.0L 8 next?? or back to a 2.0L......turbo!

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Re: pintara modifications
« Reply #8 on: Aug 28, 2002, 08:33AM »
Hey Timmy,

Look don't get me wrong man I do not have a problem with 2L engines or even the ca20e it was a good engine for its time. It is just pretty sluggish, even the ka24e is sluggish but with some mods is kinda respectable.
I love sr20's and they are 2L and I like 4age's and they are 1.6L, I just like engines that have a bit of power.


I won't bag ya man cause that is what you have dude, it is your car, and hey they get us from a to b and anything else is a +

If you want to do headwork to your ca20e then dude that is sweet, it will give you more power for sure man and is cheaper for cam work because like the ka24e it only has one cam and less valves to port.
Yeah $400 would do it man, I just forgot what the person told me, yeah I am pretty confident it is $400 for head work, a really good job with a little shave to up compression a tad and then with a more aggressive cam you would be happier.
That is one contact I have, I have some others and they have told me of cheaper prices for headwork but this guy is pretty good, he did a mates liberty and it has like about 130kw he reckons and that is from a 2.2L. It has headwork, raised compression, his cam has been cut a tad and that is it.

I would just honestly suggest you prolly try to save yer money and just get a sr20de for about $700 to $800 and they go better than the ka24e. You would need a gearbox then i think and then the factory puter or aftermarket one.

Depends on the mulla man..

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Re: pintara modifications
« Reply #9 on: Aug 28, 2002, 09:18AM »
hmmmmm, i got lots of things to ponder about upgrades! too many choices!
i am thinking of getting a pintara T or preferably Ti, or sticking with my car and getting the sr20de, but wouldnt it be a lot more than the $700-$800 once fitting it is included?

Starting in a few weeks i will be getting $300 a week with a new job (a lot for me, I'm a fulltime uni bum! ;D), so its got the imagination running wild! 8) 8)
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Re: pintara modifications
« Reply #10 on: Aug 28, 2002, 09:34AM »
oh, and when i said 2L before, i only meant my 2L, the ca20e.  ;)
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Re: pintara modifications
« Reply #11 on: Aug 28, 2002, 12:19PM »
awsome_trx that all sounds great. i will check in with you when the time comes near. if my ka24e has extractors, 3" exhaust, powerchip, headwork done and a aggresive cam...what sort of power would this be pulling in kw? i know it is a guestimate but would it be around the 13okw+ mark? what else could i do id i have say $1500 to spend on the engine?
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Re: pintara modifications
« Reply #12 on: Aug 29, 2002, 02:21AM »
Timmy... It all depends on who you know, you know..

Well lets say $700 to $800 for a sr20de, I do not know if that would include the puter and loom but I think it might if not then add a couple hundred to it.

Then labour well this is the killer my friend, I know somewhere that charges reasonable rates, especially if you can save him some time and take the engine out yourself and give him your car minus the engine with the sr20de.

So a gearbox would not cost that much $200 maybe.

So you would be lookin at about $1500 give or take.

My bro just bought a pulsar Q in good condition with sports exhaust and cd player for $4500 and it has the sr20de in it standard and is lighter so there is always that option.

89ti ---> cool man no wukka's, just let me know what you want done when you get to that stage and I will try to help you out where I can.

Well you have about the same setup as mine except you got a 3" exhaust and I got 2 1/4", you have a Ti and I think they are a tad heavier than a trx but pretty close.

Well with a good port job, raised compression(not too much) and a good cam(there is no point having a cam which is too aggressive unless your engine can work it to it's greatest potential), tuned up well then.

You should be able to get 125 to 130kw, and that would be a fair guestimate I imagine.

Well for another $1500 hmmm you could do a whole lot of little things but it depends on if you wanna keep your powerchip.
You see if you do too much work to your engine then your powerchip would not really suit an engine that goes too hard as they cannot be reprogrammed AFAIK.

Otherwise you could get a uni chip or a puter then save up some more to do some more serious work.
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Re: pintara modifications
« Reply #13 on: Aug 29, 2002, 10:48PM »
GLiTimmy: If you want to do head work, get some quotes for getting larger valves (say, 2mm-3mm larger in diameter). That'll help it breath much better.
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Re: pintara modifications
« Reply #14 on: Aug 29, 2002, 10:57PM »
If you get the ports increased over a certain point then you have to get larger valves anyways right?

How long till you think you get work done on yer engine sssgtr?
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« Reply #15 on: Aug 30, 2002, 04:41AM »
if u were asking me that a_trx it will probably be 6 weeks or so....dunno have to see how finances work out after purchasing the car. hey what ever happened to the chat about quad throttle bodies? it sounded very promising and i would be interested if this setup could be made for the ka24e.
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Re: pintara modifications
« Reply #16 on: Aug 30, 2002, 12:53PM »
I was askin someone else mate!! But that is cool  8)

Good to hear anyways man ---->   :P
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Re: pintara modifications
« Reply #17 on: Aug 31, 2002, 01:30AM »
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If you get the ports increased over a certain point then you have to get larger valves anyways right?

How long till you think you get work done on yer engine sssgtr?


2 to 4 months dude, most likely december january.
Will start getting quotes after exams in mid november.
Need to buy an air compressor and die grinder etc etc. first before i can start porting the heads.
- Match porting everything on the intake side.
- 1-3mm oversize valves
- 3 angle valve job
- undecided on cam, depends on cost for re-grind
- slightly stiffer valve springs
- roller rockers; perhaps solid lifters if i can get 'em
- redo exhaust in 2.5" mandrel (so i can still go turbo if i can afford it in jan-feb)

Larger valves just allow greater volume of flow into the combustion chamber; as the throat of the intake port is approx. 85% of the valve diameter, the throat can be enlarged (but not by too much).
I'll be aiming for hopefully 20% better low lift flow, as i'm not always screaming around at 6000rpm.
My main aim with the porting is to clean up all roughness from casting marks, and to maintain a high velocity through the port to help cylinder filling.

This is the same cylinder head but from a US 240SX.
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Re: pintara modifications
« Reply #18 on: Aug 31, 2002, 01:33AM »
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if u were asking me that a_trx it will probably be 6 weeks or so....dunno have to see how finances work out after purchasing the car. hey what ever happened to the chat about quad throttle bodies? it sounded very promising and i would be interested if this setup could be made for the ka24e.


Depending on if i go turbo or not, i may attempt the quad TB's, however you need an aftermarket ECU to get the full potential from them, and i'm not willing to fork over $3-4g's for that....
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Re: pintara modifications
« Reply #19 on: Aug 31, 2002, 02:23AM »
Depends how much a turbo will cost all up....I think 5k is a rough estimate that has been bouncing around here for a while. Then maybe engineering cert costs on top (maybe included? I don't know) plus major insurance hassles becuase of the 'turbo'.

If the quad TB could be done for $3k ($1600 TBs, $1400 aftermarket ecu-prices based of RPW current prices) then to me it seems like a resonably good choice at that cost.

Having said that, $3k on engine inernals (cam, port & polish etc) from what Awesome_TRX has been saying, would go a long way and get a similar kw result. (130kw for internals cf. 140kw for QTB cf 147+kw for SR20DET).

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« Reply #20 on: Aug 31, 2002, 04:25AM »
so is that 140 kw ;D with the QTB'S including all other mods like extractors and exhaust, port and polish, cam? if not i wonder what power this would produce... ???
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« Reply #21 on: Sep 1, 2002, 04:14PM »
i just got a reply from a guy i emailed whose supposedly works on all japanese cars.......i asked about cam work for the ka24e. he practically said...NOT TURBO NO GO....and also added this comment about cams...."More mods to your existing NA engine like cams, will not make it a pleasure to drive, lumpy idle, high idle, peaky power, no low torque and it would need an aftermarket ECU". wots doing here? by the way i just realised how crap my username is 89tipintara  :-/ ? might log on as someone more cool 8)
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Re: pintara modifications
« Reply #22 on: Sep 2, 2002, 02:08AM »
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Depends how much a turbo will cost all up....I think 5k is a rough estimate that has been bouncing around here for a while. Then maybe engineering cert costs on top (maybe included? I don't know) plus major insurance hassles becuase of the 'turbo'.

If the quad TB could be done for $3k ($1600 TBs, $1400 aftermarket ecu-prices based of RPW current prices) then to me it seems like a resonably good choice at that cost.

Having said that, $3k on engine inernals (cam, port & polish etc) from what Awesome_TRX has been saying, would go a long way and get a similar kw result. (130kw for internals cf. 140kw for QTB cf 147+kw for SR20DET).


I'm actually budgeting around $1500 for a turbo setup.
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Re: pintara modifications
« Reply #23 on: Sep 2, 2002, 03:09AM »
I should clarify...5k was the far end for SR20DET swap.
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Re: pintara modifications
« Reply #24 on: Sep 2, 2002, 03:12AM »
If you turbo your Ka24 for $1500....I will be very interested in how it goes.
There have been a lot of cheap turbo's on Ebay lately.
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Re: pintara modifications
« Reply #25 on: Sep 2, 2002, 09:50PM »
I have a heap of friends that are quite good at MIG welding, so i don't hafta pay an exhaust place for that sort of work ($500ish compared to a couple of slabs...). I will be doing all the work myself, i don't see the point in paying someone to do stuff i can quite competently do myself.
However, i'm doing headwork firstly.
As always, i'm willing to help anyone out who wants to do such a project.  ;D
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Re: pintara modifications
« Reply #26 on: Sep 3, 2002, 12:33AM »
The Uni chip is an option for people who do not want to spend the excess money, although they are not quite as good as a standalone unit I believe they would still be adequate. When I talked to a distributor a while back he was pretty confident that they would do the job right.

Okay Listen up all, for those who have a power chip etc.

Look plain and simple if you don't want to spend to much money but want the best performance for your money then this is probably the best way go....

89Pintara - getting a cam that is too big ect will make it harder to drive but if you do not go too crazy with mods and work with your chip then it will be easy to drive and will just go better.

Oh well hope this helps.. I will prolly be getting a cam grind soonish just a mild cam, I might get one to work the bottom end to help me launch off the line more, or maybe a mid range one. Will see how it goes...

The aim is to utilise your chip to it's best potential assuming it's paramters are set and cannot be altered - which I think is what Fueltronics told me....

Do this....
1.) Port'n'Polish head work - you can get a pretty thorough job done, maybe better valve springs but you don't need a full out racing set up.
Get your head shaved down only a little this will up compression a bit and give you more power.
2.) Cam grind - Get a mild cam not much more now you can get a cam that will work bottom end, mid range, or top end, now that is your choice and what is recommended to you. I have been told a cam to work the mid range would be best but hey untill you had three or four tested in your car you cannot know for sure. So choose wisely.
3.) Flywheel - get your flywheel lightened not too much but a bit, this will improve your cars response and help it wind out quicker, I imagine that cars like pulsars have lighter fw's so this will help keep up with cars like that.
4.) Fiddly bits - you can get better wires, flash spark plugs, bigger coil packs, these together would probably help a little bit but I do not know as I have not done all of them. Run your car on premium unleaded the extra cost in fuel is outset by increased performance and extra economy.

Now I believe that if you do these things(including exhaust and extractors and pod set up etc) you will get he most out of your chip. Now if you want to do more than this you will probably have to get a uni chip or a stand alone puter system.

For an example all these things would prolly cost well me around $600 or less depending on who I go through.
Maybe getting  about 125 to 130kw....

Now I am not an expert and have just put this together from talking and visiting professionals in the industry, but I believe if you want best bang for your buck then this is a pretty straight and simple plan.

And for those of you with Ca20e's this is no different just the power figure will be a bit less but you will still get better performance.
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Re: pintara modifications
« Reply #27 on: Sep 3, 2002, 12:40AM »
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Having said that, $3k on engine inernals (cam, port & polish etc) from what Awesome_TRX has been saying, would go a long way and get a similar kw result. (130kw for internals cf. 140kw for QTB cf 147+kw for SR20DET).



I have been quoted a bit lower than $3k for a engine rebuild this is a good rebuild, you know head work etc...
With the QTB set up I would expect more than 140kw easy if you have some headwork done etc..
I thought the SR20DET was 156kw..

These are good options will be good when one of us finally gets one of them done lol...
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Re: pintara modifications
« Reply #28 on: Sep 3, 2002, 01:35AM »
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I have been quoted a bit lower than $3k for a engine rebuild this is a good rebuild, you know head work etc...

Yeah I know you have. I used 3k just as a direct comparison to the Quad TB....you could get a lot done for a lot cheaper.
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Re: pintara modifications
« Reply #29 on: Sep 3, 2002, 02:48AM »
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I thought the SR20DET was 156kw..


Its 147kw on the turbo 200sx [all models] Oz delivered.
Also notice it had a + next to it ;) on fmx_riders post.