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the project pintara is now on the road
« on: Feb 12, 2011, 12:16PM »
 :)hi all,
some time ago i had in 2010 i started collecting pintara's in the yard.
it started with the wifes top of the line "t" u12 which thanks to Bundy Nissan, who charged my wife over $900 for new timing gear , suddenly 2 weeks later let go..
According to nissan , it was not there fault..shit happens.
What let go they refused to tell us on presenting the car back for re inspection.
However .. the dis cap was melted and some spark leads..and he had internal diz parts melted.
ON YA NISSAN
this nissan agent always always always quotes the most impossible price for parts.
Always has to order them ex anywhere !

there is a risk that the engine blowing like this may have caused auto transmission damage.

so i was going to find a engine and possible transmission from donor pintara. and bought a few parts cars off ebay.
i got 2 trx, and 2 t's...
i got 1 of "t" on the road yesterday  it was basic t with auto and air cond.

now the reason the wifes car went in for repairs was it went from 10-11l/100  to 14-17l/100 doing country driving.
but i always knew 10/100 is crapo and not right as well.
so the new t on the road ..got the replace thermo..found the other open always
new gauge sender..other hardly worked and never read right
new temp sensor for the ecu
its first test run of 196 kms sitting on 110kms mostly varied to 90-105kms stop and go due to road works and road hold ups. it pulled 9.68l/100kms
mostly country hwy and some city stop and go's..

i should be getting ..i recon 7.5-8.5      for this work

since the car had not been run for 8 month or more. i opted to run it for week or so and drop all the oils when hot .
what i noticed is the last owner had too much engine oil and too much transmission oil. 
so this will be corrected on the replacement.
1 of the concern points and why i mention it...is overfilled engine oil...therefore effects O2 sensor   and i think when i drop the oil and refil only to the correct mark..i should pull the 02 and clean and replace it.
from what i read it sens either 2 conditional states 1v or 0v or either not same 02 as outside or the same..
and this info effects FUEL USE ! a topic we all mentioned here and a topic we all interested in in striving to reach the figures said to be produced by pintara's
6.6  for hwy
10.0 city   

i have a new battery in the car, and therefore because its had a new one fitted the ecu is in learning curve from 8 months reset without a battery.

my wife bought a hyclone for car..which i test out..as well
also i am interested in 2 mods and 2 upgrades.
upgrades ...
1) was changing the air filter to a pod filter
2)  changing the exhaust to bigger or sports exhaust.

mods..

1) extra earth kit
2) a resitor wire kit placed to send run lean message to the ECU     

i am also wondering about the condition of the following that effects fuel use
air temp sensor
scv control solenoid valve
aac valve
air flow meter
pressure regulator
power transistor
and others have been mentioned here..as well

spark plugs and leads ..etc
i like to get some feedback on this..

i think one of the best threads on here was the fuel brand  and fuel use talks
however i dont think we sorted the possible faultly parts causing fuel over use.
at the moment i got an ideal test pintara
i got a t series auto with a dead auto..and once i get a good cheap auto in it..i have test car number 2..

anyway..thanks///:) phil
 

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Re: the project pintara is now on the road
« Reply #1 on: Feb 12, 2011, 03:01PM »
phil, bin the hyclone and don't bother with the "resistor" mod.

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Re: the project pintara is now on the road
« Reply #2 on: Feb 12, 2011, 03:14PM »
it i binned that $165 part she kill me !
i rather just either throw it in, knowing it wont do anything hurtful or useful..:)

and just for laughs it did effect the sick pintara...FE

so i test it as seperate ...and report the findings...it be up to each man and his dog to work if its worth it..

i think the resistor would be adapted for by the ECU over time..to point it be either looped or would send a engine error code..
that my personal opinion..

whats your feeling about sports exhaust or larger dia exhaust ?
whats your feeling on air pod intake..

My take is they go together...and should improve proformance, and should increase FE

whats your view any changes to the ECU chip ..per a standard pintara engine..
no bigger cam or anything... with or without the exhaust changes and air pod changes to the car? ty phil

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Re: the project pintara is now on the road
« Reply #3 on: Feb 13, 2011, 08:40AM »
hang on....you paid $165 for a hiclone?

return it, and get your money back. they are snake oil.

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Re: the project pintara is now on the road
« Reply #4 on: Feb 13, 2011, 08:02PM »
i never my wife did 2 years back..she was tryin to help

also did you know?
the stunt ..with the IAT resistor..was first done my a mechanics way back before 1990
it was dont in some places the late 70's
it was done for testing the system...it was used to place a known value dummy load..
mainly used to test the point of switching
IE the point where the best point of setting and value to ECU  which is neither 1v nor 0v  but the point where the v is mininal above 0v optimial for ECU default for tuning.

if you dont think that is true try reading workshop factory manuals..testing!

the workshop manual for honda special tools...gas one made with a 10k pot and inline 100ohm   
why because several of its  engines ranged in 220---8k  in order to read start point temp...which was 70f ish

remebering that the control is for air over reg outside temp and beyond...

and as a CIA lowered into kool area getting cool air..or effects of night air driving show.. cool ram air makes the motor fly ~

i have just done test run tank 2 ...9.0l/100kms
no changes to the car...from first run...
however still using 91 oct fuel...
woolies brand now in
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Re: the project pintara is now on the road
« Reply #5 on: Feb 17, 2011, 07:35AM »
phil

using a resistor to "trick" the ecu in to what temperature air it is ingesting is an EXTREMELY BAD IDEA.

The purpose of this sensor is to reduce ignition timing based on the temperature of air going through the airbox into the engine; it is used to stop detonation which WILL destroy your engine.

Ie, if it is ingesting air at 40 deg C, from memory the ecu reduces timing by 2 deg to stop detonation. I have the tables on my other pc at home.

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Re: the project pintara is now on the road
« Reply #6 on: Feb 17, 2011, 11:15AM »
i totally agree....

i was just informing people how this magic bullet was invented..

it is no magic bullet...but a method used in testing...

it also used in inventing....setting up mapping....

its use is limited to those things...not the full time use in car...

hence some have had a sideways bet...a bit both ways..mod with a switch or mod with a variable to allow for normal to mod...

just remember also that CAI   is a misleading set of values as well...
and there is stages of that...cars are tuned to the surrounding air temp..

which is the feeding air temp..

if i place the ram style interphase i tring to also change mixture and temp..

if i air pod and place say the air con cold side running in it , and fan it to get a flow
and place a air pod inside to filter overdamp air...direct to input feed of air
i prob have the truest falsehood of air mixture...
but the ulta cai


if you did this..you wont need all the other methods of cia

you could even run a cold air tube from the air con to air pod in a cannester
or place the sensor near the air cond...and place the pod as close to intake.
so i thought i put that out...for those interested in some real mods...

:)

phil