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Re: Why don't you do something else?
« Reply #30 on: Sep 11, 2008, 09:52PM »
Aaah this thread is doing my head in lol. Its a good topic but it requires so much thinking  ;D

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Re: Why don't you do something else?
« Reply #31 on: Sep 11, 2008, 09:55PM »
Narxysus what do you do in your spare time? Just out of curiosity?
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Re: Why don't you do something else?
« Reply #32 on: Sep 11, 2008, 09:55PM »
Narxysus what do you do in your spare time? Just out of curiosity?

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Re: Why don't you do something else?
« Reply #33 on: Sep 11, 2008, 10:57PM »
Believe it or not I have a Bachelor of Economics which was an almost entirely neoliberal education.  I spend my time now reading books that help me understand that the shit I learned in uni is largely inapplicable or at the very least misguided in the real world.

Most shit you 'learn' at uni is just that - shit. Its more preparing your brain for a real world job. One mate of mine spent the first 8 months of his new job learning what he actually had to do, he uses very little of his uni degree. Its the same for me, i use bugger all from my undergrad days, its the concepts and development of my analytical mind that has been most useful. And now im supposed to be turning that up another level with post grad study.

You seem to have a very 'communist' approach to things. While it works well in theory, not so good in practice. I met a guy from [language filter smackdown]ia or another similar country while in Mex earlier in the year, the job he had been 'given' by the govt was plant breeder and he was receiving some training at the same organisation i was doing my research at. Chatting to him about the conditions there, there are massive yield improvements to be made, fairly quickly. But he hated his job, had no interest in it and will make bugger all improvement, despite the fact a monkey could make improvements (as a guide, avg yields in his area were around 1.5t, i estimated they could be closer to 7 or 8 tons given rainfall temps etc)

You know why? cos its all about number one, while the greater good plays a tiny part in peoples thoughts, its all about yours truely in reality. Human nature, its shit (yes the boy band too)

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Re: Why don't you do something else?
« Reply #34 on: Sep 11, 2008, 10:58PM »
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So, the question(s) is why is your line different from mine?  Is it just our different personalities?

Seriously, that's a stupid question.

Like I said before, it's like trying to work out why people like to wear the colour yellow. It's difference! Even animals don't react the same to certain activities. What's the point in trying to find the answer out anyway? Your curiosity amazes me. If only a company could channel your observation and enthusiasm into designing products... they'd love you.

If you can't understand why we are different, ask yourself why I have 12" penisaurus and you have a 6" cawk.  :D  :P
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Don't let the opinions of the average man sway you. Dream, and he thinks you're crazy. Succeed, and he thinks you're lucky. Acquire wealth, and he thinks you're greedy. Pay no attention. He simply doesn't understand.

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Re: Why don't you do something else?
« Reply #35 on: Sep 12, 2008, 12:21AM »
Narxy, you crack me up substantially. lol

You state something that I found overwhelmingly funny... that a poor man values one dollar more than a rich man... How much more wrong could you be? Have you really been living under a rock (or textbook for that matter) all of your life?

Do you think the rich stay rich because they DONT value money more than the poor? or do the poor value money so much they spend it on non-essential things like drugs, alcohol and self-gratification? That goes for the middle class too -> the stuggling aussie family, ie the good old "battler".

Pfft.

Regardless, back to your question. Its simple, and has been simplified by chris's barbaric answer a while back.

Basic human drive is to do what feels good. Self preservation, survival, replication, pleasure.

What is the dream almost everyone in this society is raised to believe?

- Goto school, get a job, get a wife, buy a house, raise a family and work till you die.

Perhaps not in that particular order, but you get the jist. The jist is everyone in this country believes they DESERVE to have everything they dream of, regardless of their education, wealth, position in society and usefullness to their community.
So these people go out, with little to no education, work for a few years.... earn enough to take out a home loan... a wife and two children... a car or two... holiday every year up the coast. Why? Beause they earned it with hard work... dedication etc.

What makes you think, that these people... who are hopelessly dependent on the system that supports them... where the cost of fuel is enough to strangle their tight budgets - 4c a litre makes the difference between making the car payment... what makes you think that something like "climate change" is going to make them change the way they have been raised their whole life?

Waste not - want not?

First it was global warming - but its not getting hotter anymore... now lets call it climate change (cause we dont know what it actually is going to do) - now its global economic instability - carbon emmissions trading - selling "points" that are traded on the stock market - regulated by a fanstical and mystical "independant" body.

What the fuck am I ranting on about??

NOTHING.

Because no-one gives a fuck... because no matter what we do... what we say... who we blame.... NOTHING will change what happens.

What do you think you can tell Joe Bloggs? Stop modifying your car? Buy a Toyota Prius? Its cheaper to run, save the environment.

He'll look at you and say -


"Im a Holden Man"


I modify my car because I can. I enjoy learning and the challenge of trying new things.
Joe Bloggs does it for his own reasons. Show his mate what he has. Take his car to meets, discuss with buddies over a few beers how many seconds the 1/4 it does. What Jimmy from Robs Welding Supplies has in his garage... shes a real beauty too.

These people don't care because it doesnt affect them. Hell, even their families.... when they turn 18, out the door. Isnt that the saying?

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Re: Why don't you do something else?
« Reply #36 on: Sep 12, 2008, 10:02AM »
What would it take to make you change your behaviour?

I was exaggerating just a little. Regarding pollution / wasting resources, i don't drive my U12 much anymore to the daily grind unless necessary; the car that my wife and i drive during the week averages about 6.8L/100km and has all the latest gizmos and gadgets to reduce emissions and fuel consumption. So, that being said, i have changed my/our behaviour in that respect since we are not using more fuel then absolutely necessary. And it's one less car on the road too.
I wasn't kidding about the injectors however, although i would prefer to run the U12 on methanol which would be much cleaner.

- Goto school, get a job, get a wife, buy a house, raise a family and work till you die.

Sounds so mundane when you put it like that! But i guess it's the tried and tested method of least resistance to getting what you want out of life.

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Re: Why don't you do something else?
« Reply #37 on: Sep 12, 2008, 08:43PM »
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Re: Why don't you do something else?
« Reply #38 on: Sep 12, 2008, 08:50PM »
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Don't let the opinions of the average man sway you. Dream, and he thinks you're crazy. Succeed, and he thinks you're lucky. Acquire wealth, and he thinks you're greedy. Pay no attention. He simply doesn't understand.

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Re: Why don't you do something else?
« Reply #39 on: Sep 13, 2008, 09:56PM »
Narxy, you crack me up substantially. lol

You state something that I found overwhelmingly funny... that a poor man values one dollar more than a rich man... How much more wrong could you be? Have you really been living under a rock (or textbook for that matter) all of your life?


/end rant

I must be under the same rock. As a generalisation: If you throw a poor man a dollar he's gonna be more happy than if you throw a rich man a dollar.
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Re: Why don't you do something else?
« Reply #40 on: Sep 13, 2008, 10:12PM »
I must be under the same rock. As a generalisation: If you throw a poor man a dollar he's gonna be more happy than if you throw a rich man a dollar.

Thankyou Smiley, this is precisely what I meant - the rich man is more likely to give the poor man the dollar than the other way around.

However, you do make a good point in the rest of your post ed, and I'm thinking about my response.
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Re: Why don't you do something else?
« Reply #41 on: Sep 13, 2008, 10:39PM »
Lets all take a breath... watch this clip for some light hearted funsy and than come back with some witty remarks eh...


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Re: Why don't you do something else?
« Reply #42 on: Sep 13, 2008, 10:44PM »
I must be under the same rock. As a generalisation: If you throw a poor man a dollar he's gonna be more happy than if you throw a rich man a dollar.

Absolutely. He will be happy that he can now scrounge up enough coin to buy himself more booze/drugs or whatever immediate pleasure he requires at the time.

And im not putting myself of a pedestle. Homeless are usually the unfortunate who have mental issues and fall through the cracks of the system. But this disussion isnt about the homeless. :P

Again, my point stated. A rich man will take that dollar, and value it more because he can utilise it to become more wealthy. Whereas a poor (middle/low income) will utilise that same dollar to spend on non-value generating expenses.

Dont confuse the terms value and worth and mix them up with emotion. We need to clearly define what we are talking about - either emotional satisfaction, or monetary value.

Thankyou Smiley, this is precisely what I meant - the rich man is more likely to give the poor man the dollar than the other way around.

How many rich men have you met that have given you any money, without any resitution?

Now think about how many friends of yours have lent you money without charging any interest?


Rethink your last statement a little... why would a poor man give a rich man a dollar in any case?

Hmmmm


Wait. What were we talking about again? :P

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Re: Why don't you do something else?
« Reply #43 on: Sep 13, 2008, 10:58PM »

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Re: Why don't you do something else?
« Reply #44 on: Sep 14, 2008, 12:07AM »
Rethink your last statement a little... why would a poor man give a rich man a dollar in any case?

He wouldn't, for pretty much exactly the reason behind the proposed scenario, and the reason why I said it.
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Re: Why don't you do something else?
« Reply #45 on: Sep 14, 2008, 07:14PM »
Absolutely. He will be happy that he can now scrounge up enough coin to buy himself more booze/drugs or whatever immediate pleasure he requires at the time.

And im not putting myself of a pedestle. Homeless are usually the unfortunate who have mental issues and fall through the cracks of the system. But this disussion isnt about the homeless. :P

Again, my point stated. A rich man will take that dollar, and value it more because he can utilise it to become more wealthy. Whereas a poor (middle/low income) will utilise that same dollar to spend on non-value generating expenses.

Dont confuse the terms value and worth and mix them up with emotion. We need to clearly define what we are talking about - either emotional satisfaction, or monetary value.

How many rich men have you met that have given you any money, without any resitution?

Now think about how many friends of yours have lent you money without charging any interest?


Rethink your last statement a little... why would a poor man give a rich man a dollar in any case?

Hmmmm


Wait. What were we talking about again? :P

ummm I think you are confused with our point dude :P

poor people aren't necessarily homeless, and rich people aren't necessarily Jewish money misers.

maybe if I re-word it:

A Poor person is going to be more upset if they lose $10 than if a rich man loses $10
 

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Re: Why don't you do something else?
« Reply #46 on: Sep 14, 2008, 08:22PM »
A Poor person is going to be more upset if they lose $10 than if a rich man loses $10

Rich man didn't get where he is by not caring about losing money, no matter how much.
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Re: Why don't you do something else?
« Reply #47 on: Sep 14, 2008, 09:41PM »
Lets have an experiment. I'm poor, someone send me ten bucks and when I get it i'll let you know how grateful I am. MUHAHAHAHA Be even more gratefule if it's fifty. LOL

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Re: Why don't you do something else?
« Reply #48 on: Sep 14, 2008, 11:44PM »
Rich man didn't get where he is by not caring about losing money, no matter how much.
You are missing the point completely.



A Poor person is going to be more upset if they lose $10 than if a rich man loses $10
 



The point is, if a rich man loses $10 he's like damn, I could have used that to invest.

a poor man loses $10... oh fuck it looks like I'm not having dinner tonight.

It's called perspective. Learn to use it.

Oh and look up that Bill Gates guy and see how money he's put into health and education. Technically he's losing the money 'cause he's getting no personal gain out of it except for the satisfaciton of knowing he's doing something to better the world.

This has gotten so far off topic.


honest question here. who of you actually regularly donates to charities?

Eurisko you have the opinion that the homeless have mental issues/disabilities... why not, instead of handing the bum $2 of spare change, give that $2 to a drop in centre or a charity like the salvos or someone that helps the homeless.

I am aware the whole point of a hobby is doing something you enjoy. some Hobbies are more expensive than others and I have absolutely no right (or want) to tell you guys you are wrong for pursuing your passion. I just wonder how many of you follow it greedily is all... you know, without thought of others... maybe throw some money to a commodore owner so he can get a decent car.
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Re: Why don't you do something else?
« Reply #49 on: Sep 15, 2008, 01:45AM »
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you know, without thought of others... maybe throw some money to a commodore owner so he can get a decent car.

What for? He can work his arse off like we did and buy a decent car himself. What is this, I feel sorry for everyone, here have 5k? PFFT.
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Re: Why don't you do something else?
« Reply #50 on: Sep 15, 2008, 09:03AM »
I can has teh $5k?  :D

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Re: Why don't you do something else?
« Reply #51 on: Sep 15, 2008, 12:15PM »
you guys are all retarted. charities are not hobbies, they're scams. in saying that, i donate money every month to the wilderness society, i get paid quite well and as far as i'm concerned i cant really afford it, but i still do it.. so suck my left wang.. yes.. i have 2 wangs.

but you guys need to get out more if you're suggesting a hobby should be replaced by making donations to charity. people without hobbies commit suicide, its that simple* i cant stand folk that look down on others because they dont contribute to society by donating to some mob that might help children in africa or saving spider monkeys that are suffering from the aids epidemic, as far as i'm concerned half these so called 'charities' have a lot of 'volunteers' that most likely have a cocaine habit to support (hence high 'administration' costs).

i help people out in my own way.. another one of my hobbies other than cars is computers, so i've setup countless computers for friends and relatives and have asked nothing in return.. sure computers wont save the world and they wont save a starving african kid, but they're helping someone out and i know that my help is being appreciated. instead of sitting on your asses bitching about who donates to what and who is killing the earth cause others enjoy cars, fucking do something useful.

also, the whole suggestion of people here, on antrx, selfishly indulging in their love of cars is clearly stupid in the first place.. if they indulged in cars selfishly, they wouldnt own a bloody pintara would they?


to sum up my post.. do something good for someone.. charities are not the be all and end all of goodness.. every little bit, no matter what it is, helps someone in some way.

oh and remember my left wang? suck it.


*people without hobbies : suicide ratio is not founded with any common sense or hard facts but most likely related as far as i'm concerned

also please note this post is purely for humour value, not argument.
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Re: Why don't you do something else?
« Reply #52 on: Sep 15, 2008, 01:00PM »
I still don't get what this is all about  ???

Is this argument suggesting by having a hobby we are being selfish? Well I'm sure I share the love when little kids that love cars smile when I boost it past them  :) I don't necessarily donate much money to charity but have been working my ass off for 2 months to raise money and train for the Heartkids SA charity.

I'm sure I've spent more time (my most valuable asset) training, talking to mates about the charity, raising awareness and organising the run than working on my car. Now saying that, after all the effort I'm putting in my little brother has had his operation cancelled for the 4th time in a row. And you know what? I'm sure most of the money we've raised will go towards the pompus women that runs the charity and gets paid for it. So essentially I'm working to make her money, make sense? No.

The complicating factor here is everyone has different priorities in life. I personally don't see the point of working my ass off and then donating the majority of my income to charity. See osmeone like Chr1s would see cars as a high priority because it combines both work and a hobby and he derives an income from it. Myself, I do it because its a hobby. Theres not alot else I enjoy doing.

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Re: Why don't you do something else?
« Reply #53 on: Sep 15, 2008, 10:24PM »
hehehe I consider this thread officially trolled

I did just spend another 1.5k on new tyres  ;)


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Re: Why don't you do something else?
« Reply #54 on: Sep 15, 2008, 11:11PM »
also, the whole suggestion of people here, on antrx, selfishly indulging in their love of cars is clearly stupid in the first place.. if they indulged in cars selfishly, they wouldnt own a bloody pintara would they?


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I dont even remember what this thread is about now


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Re: Why don't you do something else?
« Reply #55 on: Sep 15, 2008, 11:18PM »
What would it take to make you change your behaviour?

personally, i dont see that he should. obviously there are limits and basic common sense, but deadset, is he really making that much of an impact?

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Re: Why don't you do something else?
« Reply #56 on: Sep 15, 2008, 11:31PM »
ROFL BROTHEL!

I dont even remember what this thread is about now


I DO! =)

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Oh and yeah yeah yeah money waste, cars waste, breathing waste.

Noss i didnt know you had 2 wangs??  :-\

People spend their money however they feel is most enjoyable. My hobbies include - Getting drunk, Going out to get drunk, Drinking, Buying alcohol, having untold of amounts of sex with random women....whilst intoxicated... etc etc etc.

Now a homosexual would find the last point completely useless, and selfish, because he cant get any of my wang....

But its all a matter of perspective right?  8)

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Re: Why don't you do something else?
« Reply #57 on: Sep 15, 2008, 11:45PM »
LOL that spartan pic is classic!
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Re: Why don't you do something else?
« Reply #58 on: Sep 16, 2008, 12:14AM »
Noss i didnt know you had 2 wangs??  :-\

Me either. Did one of them fall off or something?
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Re: Why don't you do something else?
« Reply #59 on: Sep 16, 2008, 09:06AM »
I'm being environmentally responsible this weekend and buying an energy efficient 50" plasma courtesy of the ATO.

That and some poor bastard cows are going to sacrifice themselves so my ass is comfy in front of said plasma.