Thanks for your input camo, Its just a shitter to get to work so I'm in no hurry to fix the problem, I,m one of those wait till it dies then do something people. To ffourc.......mmmmmmmm you sound like a bit of a wanker don't you!!!! well I am sure thats not the first nor last time you will hear that in your life. Basicaly if you have nothing constructive to say, I think the term I am looking for is "shut the fu*k up" I put the astrix there to keep ffourc busy for a day or two trying to figure out the missing letter.