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Title: TV capture card
Post by: evenflow_trx on Mar 15, 2004, 09:33AM
Hey guys,

Does anyone know anything about TV capture cards? I am thinking of purchasing one soon and I need to know how to set it up, the basics, etc etc.

Cheers.
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: Urq! on Mar 15, 2004, 10:11AM
yeah i have been intrested in getting one of these too.

about all a know is they capture TV and they come in a card like form.
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: Budgie on Mar 15, 2004, 10:23AM
I was going to get one a while ago, but never did.  Apparently the only real issue with them can be drivers.   Make sure you get one from a half decent brand name.

The actual chip the card uses is very important as well quality wise.

I would recommend doing a search on the OCAU forums evenflow (www.overclockers.com.au)
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: noss on Mar 15, 2004, 11:48AM
i had a tv capture card in my old pc, it was a phillips card. i have quite a few movies on my pc which i converted from vhs. the main problem i see with tv capture cards is that you can only capture at 320x200 (the original size of the image that your tv will use before projecting it onto the screen)

another problem is the initial capturing if your saving to a file from tv.. the software that you get in most cases has very poor compression software and you cant change it to something like divx for its encoding.

i didnt find drivers to be an issue at all. just go to www.driverguide.com and you'll find the drivers your after.

if you just want the capture card so you can watch tv its also a pretty good product.

if you want it for high quality video capturing then because the original quality of images on a tv isnt exactly the best thing in the world, then some of you image quality nazi's might not like it.

one of my mates has just bought one, he is pretty impressed with it.. he spent $130 or so on a leadtek deluxe card.
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: chucky on Mar 15, 2004, 11:57AM
yeh the compression is shitty =/ i've got a ledtek winfast 2000xp solely for receiving cable tv... www.fucu.cjb.net  8) 8) 8) 8) , nice card and mad remote!
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: chr1S on Mar 15, 2004, 05:25PM
get a good card and mkae sure uhave a excellent system then you won't have compression problem's or loose quality.  i wanted to get one of these but i see that vivo (video in video out) on card's work better and u can capture with that to.
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: aussie-gli on Mar 15, 2004, 05:31PM
I bought a flyvideo card in '97... came with sh*te drivers, but new drivers were online.  Could capture @ 30fps at pretty high res, even back then on my Pentium 75.

Best way to capture video is via a digital video camera/firewire using a camera with an AUX input.
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: chr1S on Mar 15, 2004, 05:34PM
30fps.. that's rat sh*t man.
but then again it was old :D
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: Chadza on Mar 15, 2004, 06:10PM
May well be, but it has been proven that above 35fps your eye cannot differentiate the higher fps. So 35 would look exactly the same to human eye as 100fps. I would know, My dad is an optometrist! :P

Chad
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: aussie-gli on Mar 15, 2004, 06:24PM
PAL is 25fps, NTSC ~ 30...

No need to capture any quicker than that...
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: chr1S on Mar 15, 2004, 06:34PM
umm.. isn't it refresh rate of what your viewing??? coz when i play online gaming i can notice abit of chuggering at 50fps
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: imaspy on Mar 15, 2004, 07:00PM
refresh rate is not related to fps. refresh rate is the frequency is hertz that your monitor is displaying the current res.

online games is seperate to these again (although fps is relevant to games). if it's chugging its because your comp is doing something or is cactus, or your experiencing lag.
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: chr1S on Mar 15, 2004, 07:02PM
but i find when i bump the refresh rate up the fps go up
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: Budgie on Mar 15, 2004, 07:27PM
If you refresh rate is set at 80hz @ 800x600 and your video card can do 120fps in say UT2003 or something at 800x600 you'll only be able to 'see' 80fps max, as the monitor does not refresh fast enough.

If you up the refresh to 150hz for example (if your screen can do that) you'll notice its smoother.
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: chr1S on Mar 15, 2004, 08:07PM
depends what screen u got.. mine does 100 easy on dod
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: bungs on Mar 15, 2004, 08:17PM
I've had a pixelview playtv pro, a phillips and more recently a leadtek 2000xp deluxe. The leadtek is an inferior card compared to the other 2. I can encode on the fly from the TV source or a video source straight to xvid with mp3 stereo sound. I usually leave it at 640x480 depending whether the source is widescreen or not. It records with no problems on my comp and doesn't come close to skipping any frames. (barton 2500 @ 2.3GHz/512ram)

I got my leadtek for $120 in November. They sell on various forums here in Australia for about $70, or you can get them for around ~$100-110 new. I'm looking at getting a digital tv tuner sometime soon, they go for around $170. I'll probably wait until some secondhand ones start floating around to try them out :)
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: chr1S on Mar 15, 2004, 08:44PM
ah cmon... overclock your barton :D u know it can hehehehe ... nah then u need better cooling.
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: noss on Mar 15, 2004, 08:55PM


at what res is your screen doing this?

also..

 
30fps.. that's rat sh*t man.
but then again it was old :D


a) your tv only does 30fps cause thats all that it recieves

b) your tv also only receives 320x200 images

c) the software you get generally cant have the codecs it uses changed, and normal video authoring software wont be able to tune to a channel so you gotta use what you get with the card
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: Budgie on Mar 15, 2004, 10:06PM
I've had a pixelview playtv pro, a phillips and more recently a leadtek 2000xp deluxe. The leadtek is an inferior card compared to the other 2. I can encode on the fly from the TV source or a video source straight to xvid with mp3 stereo sound. I usually leave it at 640x480 depending whether the source is widescreen or not. It records with no problems on my comp and doesn't come close to skipping any frames. (barton 2500 @ 2.3GHz/512ram)

I wish I could encode Xvid at faster than 25fps!!  Oh well, maybe the old Celeron 600@1035mhz needs to be updated, although I normally say this, then the car gets another b'day present ;D hehe
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: bungs on Mar 15, 2004, 10:13PM
ah cmon... overclock your barton :D u know it can hehehehe ... nah then u need better cooling.

it is overclocked :P

A 2500+ runs at 1833Mhz stock.. mines running at 2300Mhz. :)

could push it more but i'd need to get rid of the stock cooler...
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: chr1S on Mar 18, 2004, 03:09PM
lol :).. my p4 is overclocked to 2.0 from 1.6.. no temp differences but i got modyfied cooler.. not much difference tho
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: noss on Mar 18, 2004, 03:17PM
neither of my computers are overclocked. my home pc is a p4 2.6 and my work one is a p4 2.8. and they're still faster than yours. so stick that up your overclocked "my computer will overheat & blow up soon" pipe & smoke it. :P
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: porretta on Mar 18, 2004, 03:20PM
some senario here noss. both da comps in my house arent overclocked and one is p4 3ghz and one is 2.8ghz
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: chr1S on Mar 18, 2004, 03:48PM
lolz well mine's runnning at 18 degrees... so we'll see who last's longer :P compared to the 40 + stock temps.. but then again im running more power through my cpu
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: bungs on Mar 18, 2004, 06:29PM
so we'll see who last's longer :P compared to the 40 + stock temps..

meh. I change processors every few months. I've had a 1700+, 1800+, 2100+ and now the barton. If it fries, it gives me an excuse to get an a64. No big deal.

and yep i'm an AMD fanboy. 2300Mhz barton is equivalent to a 3 gig ~ 3.2gig p4. So I can't see the reason to spend $200 more on something that does the same thing. :)
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: chr1S on Mar 18, 2004, 07:07PM
i hate amd's :P.. the a64 :) make sure it's FX if you do get it.. but personally i'd wait
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: bungs on Mar 18, 2004, 07:14PM
i hate amd's

bit of a generalisation don't you think? Especially with nothing to back that statement up with.
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: chr1S on Mar 18, 2004, 07:18PM
nothing offensive .. but just how intel gave them a bluprint.. lowered the pins.. modyfied the core ran more voltage through and said they made it. but compare your barton to the 2.8C and watch how much better the pentium 4 run's .. ive built 1 amd and 1 p4 system b4 and noticed the difference. i used ut2003 benchmark's, pcmark 2003 and 3d mark 2003 and 2001. p4 beat it all round but amd beat it on compression test's. both ran same video card, hdd, sound card, and same ram which was corsair 4200+ twinx.. ddr dual channel. but then again this is serious shit im talkin about i don't think people will use that much power everyday.
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: trxmad on Mar 18, 2004, 11:28PM
what does overclocked mean?
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: Budgie on Mar 19, 2004, 11:18AM
When you squeeze more Mhz out of your systems CPU clock speed, RAM speed or a Video cards Core speed or memory speed.

For example, my old Celeron when you pull it out of the box and run it how its meant to be is a 600Mhz (66Mhz * 9  = 600Mhz.

When I go into my shitty old Epox boards BIOS settings and up the FSB speed to 112Mhz instead of 66Mhz its now a 1008mhz CPU (112Mhz * 9 = 1008Mhz).  Although the voltage the CPU receives has been slightly increased to ensure stablity as this level of overclock.  The by-product of this being more heat is generated.

So I pretty much bought a 1Ghz CPU for $175 two and a half years ago.  Which was kickass back then!
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: evenflow_trx on Mar 19, 2004, 11:35AM
so where can i pick up a good tv capture card from? any good places?
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: noss on Mar 19, 2004, 11:49AM
any decent computer store or the markets evenflow.

check out www.thediscshop.com.au and http://www.computeralliance.com.au/ for a good guide on prices (they're my fave brisbane stores)

also kyrios, i have run intel and amd systems, always intel at home, sometimes amd at work, and for the money, amd is by far the better system, not to mention i am deeply dissapointed with my p4 2.6 at home which all it does better than my previous p3 500 is multitasking, the biggest waste of my money ever was buying a pentium 4.
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: bungs on Mar 19, 2004, 12:06PM
www.auspcmarket.com.au have the leadtek 2000xp deluxe for $99 including postage.

www.razorprices.com have a database of all the latest prices around Australia, just type in what you're looking for and it'll show you all the best deals. I think it's updated daily.
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: Budgie on Mar 19, 2004, 12:51PM
also kyrios, i have run intel and amd systems, always intel at home, sometimes amd at work, and for the money, amd is by far the better system, not to mention i am deeply dissapointed with my p4 2.6 at home which all it does better than my previous p3 500 is multitasking, the biggest waste of my money ever was buying a pentium 4.

Leave that 2.6 with me for a while Noss and It'll become a 3Ghz +... (hopefully ;D)
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: noss on Mar 19, 2004, 01:21PM
nah its cool mate, i dont want you to fuck it up. :P
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: chr1S on Mar 19, 2004, 03:13PM
umm these guys are cheap as anything but.. they don't ship or sumthing

www.msy.com.au
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: evenflow_trx on Mar 22, 2004, 08:26AM
thanks guys, will check out those websites today.
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: Jtas on Mar 22, 2004, 12:50PM
not to mention i am deeply dissapointed with my p4 2.6 at home which all it does better than my previous p3 500 is multitasking, the biggest waste of my money ever was buying a pentium 4.

i tend to agree with you on that >:(, except it wasnt my money that was wasted :D

and i see s.f.a. difference between the p4 1.6gig im using now and my bros p4 2.6gig
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: chr1S on Mar 22, 2004, 02:04PM
my 1.6 out perform's the 2.8 he has .. and his is a c grade *800 mhz fsb*. only when it comes to burning a cd .. his crashes if he open's something else.. but that's nothing. it could be a virus, your hdd, video card, ram even powersupply or the cables!!.. doesn't really matter . as long as they work :) *money only issue bdw*
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: noss on Mar 22, 2004, 02:10PM
i know that. i wasnt born yesterday.
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: chr1S on Mar 22, 2004, 02:11PM
unlike me ;)
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: mrwiggly on Mar 27, 2004, 07:38PM
I had this try hard who told me he had bought a pentium 6 ????

 I played along and he told me he got it from Japan, (Hardly containing my laughter)

Later on  itold him I was coming arround to look at it and he told me it blew up HAHA

I hate people that spin shit

Also he was bragging he burnt a cd in 15 minutes,   15 minutes he must be burning it with a freaken Magnifying glass and the sun

Mine does it in like 3-4 minutes for a 500 mb cd
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: aussie-gli on Apr 8, 2004, 01:10AM
thought I'd mention this here... just got my new toy :) It's a high definition digital tv reciever card.  Awesome features.  Basically u can rip the digital tv mpeg2 stream, and burn it to a dvd!! very very cool...  Plan on capturing video clips this w/e :)
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: chr1S on Apr 10, 2004, 11:55AM
ur gonna have alot of fun :) good buy buddy
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: PanosTRX on Apr 23, 2004, 06:16PM
evenflo i work in a computer shop and i can give you a leadtek card for $99........if you havent already got one
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: chr1S on Apr 23, 2004, 10:38PM
leadtek xp 2000+ ? something like that eh? i sell it for 70 :) hehehe
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: PanosTRX on Apr 26, 2004, 10:24AM
and the competition begins........ ;D
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: evenflow_trx on Apr 27, 2004, 03:10PM
are leadtek cards reputable?
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: PanosTRX on Apr 27, 2004, 03:23PM
Ive got one and there pretty good...ive sold heaps and have had none come back to me. Leaktek do video cards, video survallence and all sorts of stuff. They are located in Mitcham i think or around there.

Also evenflo im workin on that video for ya i need more time.
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: evenflow_trx on Apr 27, 2004, 03:24PM
np mate, I'll get back to you about the card.
Title: Re: TV capture card
Post by: Sticky on May 4, 2004, 05:57PM
i just bought a new vid card with a capture device onboard. A lot of new cards (late model fx series even late model ti series nvidia cards and also the late model ati 97xx, 98xx and 96xx series ) have them on board, so if ur up for a new vid card and want a capture card to, think about getting them in an all-in-one, prices range from about 200 - 700 depending on wat u get, i got a fx 5700 ultra 256 which was only $289, and is a fantastic card for its price.  (card maker was XFX, i got it from the disc shop in brisbane).