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Re: Idea's idea's
« Reply #30 on: Jan 23, 2013, 10:33AM »
Haha that's why I ask!
That's helpful as ahaha, expecting to travel to woop woop.

Il definately give them a call, cheers  ;D  ;D

Hopefully they have something, either all

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Re: Idea's idea's
« Reply #31 on: Jan 23, 2013, 12:09PM »
while you're in clontarf, i'll take my buddy clubs back please :P

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Re: Idea's idea's
« Reply #32 on: Jan 23, 2013, 12:57PM »
Ahaha you wish jelly-fish :L

Il look at selling them if I get these Enkei's I'm enquiring about. Got some mean gutterrash on one rim though  ::)
Buckled one on Nebo too, but a guy down at dog tyred smacked it out with a mallet - like a boss!

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Re: Idea's idea's
« Reply #33 on: Jan 23, 2013, 01:31PM »
they wouldn't fit on the mini anyway. i thought long and hard about keeping them originally and i just couldn't see them working with the mini.

maybe the p1 racing ii in 16x8 with a bunch of dish would work, but they don't come in 16" at all and not anywhere near the right offset. i've got other ideas anyway :)

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Re: Idea's idea's
« Reply #34 on: Jan 23, 2013, 02:45PM »
Yeah they're not bad looking ahah. I've seen an older school mini with extended fenders and dish down at Harry's, looked mean!

Does somebody know what those adjustable arms are called, for the rear hubs? I don't wanna try explain it over the phone :S

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Re: Idea's idea's
« Reply #35 on: Jan 23, 2013, 05:55PM »
Adjustible Toe arms
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Re: Idea's idea's
« Reply #36 on: Jan 23, 2013, 07:09PM »
Thanks man, another thread called it an adjustable link lol
Toe arm will make more sense (Y)

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Re: Idea's idea's
« Reply #37 on: Jan 24, 2013, 05:57AM »
How much have you been quoted for the toe arms? I think I have a pair at home.

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« Reply #38 on: Jan 24, 2013, 11:03AM »
$110 for the pair.

It's all they had too, no cam and no flywheel :$
Could get them both shaved off my engine I suppose.

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Re: Idea's idea's
« Reply #39 on: Jan 24, 2013, 11:47AM »
$110 for the pair.


PM me an offer; i'll double check tomorrow that they are still good to use.

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Re: Idea's idea's
« Reply #40 on: Jan 24, 2013, 01:22PM »
One thing I would recommend no matter where you get them from is to pull them apart and grease them, cant remember the stuff I used, Jono would know, might be just an anti sieze, as I found the one on the drivers side especially would seize up from the heat of the exhaust. Makes it easy for the tyre shops to do the adjustments when they do your alignment.
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Re: Idea's idea's
« Reply #41 on: Jan 24, 2013, 01:27PM »
Yeah I had though that, with most things from the wreckers aha.
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Re: Re: Idea's idea's
« Reply #42 on: Jan 24, 2013, 06:34PM »
The toe arms from the j30 maxima work as well

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Re: Re: Idea's idea's
« Reply #43 on: Jan 24, 2013, 08:18PM »

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Re: Idea's idea's
« Reply #44 on: Jan 26, 2013, 12:08PM »
For that price I'd rather go to the wreckers and pull a set out and out them in my tool box :p

I personally only think I would need like an extra 1 degree to clear my guards on the rear. Anyone had any experience using camber bolts on the front ? It's only 1 per side isn't it ?
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« Reply #45 on: Jan 27, 2013, 08:39AM »
Those maxima arms look pretty mint ahaha.
SSS has a set I'm going with anyway, so alls well.

I'm intrigued with the front camber as well. Il do some scavenging around a bit later

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Re: Idea's idea's
« Reply #46 on: Jan 28, 2013, 05:00PM »
you could probably get one of these kits to work

http://www.k-mac.com.au/pages/newprods/nissan/nissan.htm

otherwise front camber is controlled by a camber bolt. like so http://www.whiteline.com.au/product_detail4.php?part_number=KCA414&sans_vehicle=1 you just need to get the right size.

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Re: Idea's idea's
« Reply #47 on: Jan 28, 2013, 05:13PM »
Wait, I have those on my coilovers :p
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Re: Idea's idea's
« Reply #48 on: Feb 11, 2013, 07:14PM »
Sorry i havnt been on, been skateboarding, rolling ankles, dieing ect.

Those strut tops look pretty mint! Could work easy enough.
Ive picked up some side skirts, a hnu12 dash (Never seen one! reckon it looks the goods), and looking into a suburu front bar like dano's (maybe not that extreme since i dont/wont have a fmi.. yet :&). Il post a pic up of the dash tomorrow when theres more light for others that havnt seen it.. Il be back soon with other stuff ahah

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Re: Idea's idea's
« Reply #49 on: Feb 12, 2013, 09:05AM »
So this is the dash i was talking about.. Persoanlly, like it a lot more, its a lot flatter and the garnish looks classy lol.


Ive sanded back the middle piece, going to paint it today.. probably just stick to grey or black?

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Re: Idea's idea's
« Reply #50 on: Feb 18, 2013, 02:05PM »
i would hope so too, but i'm not sure they would have the 300 on profile.

ka24e - pdm race cam specs
intake 300 degrees duration, .506 valve lift
exhaust 300 degrees duration, .506 valve lift.

pdm says:
** requires cam towers to be milled .060"
** requires stiffer valve springs

keith at wade's would be able to recommend something as well. i remember last time i spoke to him about that profile he mentioned that 290 degrees might be better.

acquired a Ka24e.

For this cam (or one like it), a head shave and port and polish.. How much of a hassel would it be getting a tune? (Its got the stage 2 antrx chip already).


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Re: Idea's idea's
« Reply #51 on: Feb 18, 2013, 02:54PM »
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought you couldn't run beyond a 270 degree in a SOHC KA without having forged pistons for the higher comp ?

And you can only shave 0.2mm from the head before losing too much tension on the chain ? Even so may not raise the comp high enough to run the bigger camshafts ?
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Re: Idea's idea's
« Reply #52 on: Feb 18, 2013, 08:58PM »
270 degree even sounds like a reasonable upgrade..

Won't be too much work for a custom chain would it?

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Re: Idea's idea's
« Reply #53 on: Feb 19, 2013, 08:53AM »
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought you couldn't run beyond a 270 degree in a SOHC KA without having forged pistons for the higher comp ?

who said that and when?

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Re: Idea's idea's
« Reply #54 on: Feb 19, 2013, 01:23PM »
who said that and when?

You did buddy.

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.  extra mods/info
ka24e R6 cam   in. 248/ex. 256   both   no
ka24e R4 cam   in. 270/ex. 270   manual only   idle is slightly lumpy
ka24e R5 cam   in. 288/ex. 292   manual only   requires billet cam to be purchased. forged pistons must be purchased. new rocker OE arms must be installed. pm me to request prices

although i will not gaurantee power figures, the quoted power figures for the ka24e R4 cam is an increase from 96kw -> 111kw     
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Re: Idea's idea's
« Reply #55 on: Feb 19, 2013, 02:12PM »
well i'll be.

i can't remember where that recommendation came from. basically, i used to do all the searching that most people were too lazy to do, get the cam specs from suppliers and then get the cams made up locally for cheaper. its just i decided to stick to a few solid choices to simplify things. if there were any special requirements stated by the original manufacturer, i'd just repeat it verbatim.

maybe nismo usa trying to gouge people for more money? i can't see why you'd really need it. their wording was 'race pistons' but then when i researched their 'race pistons' they were forged.

what you do at the end of the day is up to you.

also this:

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KA24E cam list w/ specs of each cam:

Stock 240sx:

Duration:
Intake - 240
Exhaust - 248

Lift:
Intake - .409in (10.38 mm)
Exhaust - .409in (10.38 mm)

LSA: 114.5*


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Stock KA24E Pick up:

Duration:
Intake - 232
Exhaust -232

Lift:
Intake - .381in (9.7mm)
Exhaust - .381in (9.7mm)

LSA: 114.5*

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O&J Stage 1 Hydraulic Cam:

Duration:
Intake - 266
Exhaust -266

Lift:
Intake - .434in (11.04mm)
Exhaust - .434in (11.04mm)

LSA: (All O&J cams are between 109-110 LSA. I never got a definite answer from the owner)

Price: $175 plus an additional $75 without a core

Website: O&J Performance*::*Engine*::*KA24E/DE Camshafts*::*KA24E Camshaft


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O&J Stage 2 Hydraulic Cam:

Duration:
Intake - 270
Exhaust -270

Lift:
Intake - .444in (11.3mm)
Exhaust - .444in (11.3mm)

LSA: (All O&J cams are between 109-110 LSA. I never got a definite answer from the owner)

Price: $175 plus an additional $75 without a core

Website: O&J Performance*::*Engine*::*KA24E/DE Camshafts*::*KA24E Camshaft
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O&J Stage 1 Mechanical Cam:

Duration:
Intake - 280
Exhaust -280

Lift:
Intake - .479in (12.19mm)
Exhaust - .484in (12.31mm)

LSA: (All O&J cams are between 109-110 LSA. I never got a definite answer from the owner)

Price: $175 plus an additional $75 without a core

Website: O&J Performance*::*Engine*::*KA24E/DE Camshafts*::*KA24E Camshaft Mech Lifters

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O&J Stage 2 Mechanical Cam:

Duration:
Intake - 290
Exhaust -290

Lift:
Intake - .489in (12.44mm)
Exhaust - .494in (12.57mm)

LSA: (All O&J cams are between 109-110 LSA. I never got a definite answer from the owner)


Price: $175 plus an additional $75 without a core

Website: O&J Performance*::*Engine*::*KA24E/DE Camshafts*::*KA24E Camshaft Mech Lifters

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O&J Stage 3 Mechanical Cam:

Duration:
Intake - 300
Exhaust -300

Lift:
Intake - .500in (12.7mm)
Exhaust - .504in (12.82mm)

LSA: (All O&J cams are between 109-110 LSA. I never got a definite answer from the owner)


Price: $175 plus an additional $75 without a core

Website: O&J Performance*::*Engine*::*KA24E/DE Camshafts*::*KA24E Camshaft Mech Lifters
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Nismo R4 Cam:

Duration:
Intake - 270
Exhaust -270

Lift:
Intake - .401in (10.2mm)
Exhaust - .401in (10.2mm)

LSA: ???

Price: $317.50

Website: Nismoparts.com - Your #1 Source for OEM Parts and Accessories

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Nismo R5 Cam:

Duration:
Intake - 288
Exhaust -292

Lift:
Intake - .550in (13.97mm)
Exhaust - .562in (14.3mm)

LSA: ???

Price: $317.50

Website: Nismoparts.com - Your #1 Source for OEM Parts and Accessories
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Nismo R6 Cam:

Duration:
Intake - 248
Exhaust -256

Lift:
Intake - .421n (10.7mm)
Exhaust - .421in (10.7mm)

LSA: ???

Price: $317.50

Website: Nismoparts.com - Your #1 Source for OEM Parts and Accessories
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Colt C.879 Cam:

Duration:
Intake - 280
Exhaust -290

Lift:
Intake - .404in (10.28mm)
Exhaust - .408in (10.38mm)

LSA: ???

Price: $???

Website: Colt Cams - Camshaft Profiles
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PDM Mild Performance:

Duration:
Intake - 260
Exhaust -268

Lift:
Intake - .424in (10.79mm)
Exhaust - .440in (11.2mm)

LSA: ???

Price:
US: $254.76 + $250 core charge
CAN: $280 + $250 core charge

Website: PDM Racing - Cam Corner
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PDM Race Cam:

Duration:
Intake - 300
Exhaust -300

Lift:
Intake - .505in (12.85mm)
Exhaust - .505in (12.85mm)

LSA: ???

Price:
US: $428.57 + $250 core charge
CAN: $473 + $250 core charge

Website: PDM Racing - Cam Corner

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PDM Strong Performer:

Duration:
Intake - 268
Exhaust -272

Lift:
Intake - .424in (10.79mm)
Exhaust - .440in (11.2mm)

LSA: ???

Price:
US: $351.90 + $250 core charge
CAN: $382 + $250 core charge

Website: PDM Racing - Cam Corner

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JWT (Jim Wolf Technology):

Duration:
Intake - 248
Exhaust -256

Lift:
Intake - .422in (10.71mm)
Exhaust - .422in (10.71mm)

LSA: ???

Price: $375

Website: Jim Wolf Technology website

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Blank un-ground billit KA24E cam:

All lobes are un-ground.

Price: $190.50

Website: Nismoparts.com - Your #1 Source for OEM Parts and Accessories
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Only a start. I'll post more info later on head specs, flow cfm, runner length etc. If you know the LSA's or know of any other cams feel free to post them.

Engine specs and random info:

Ignition timing: 15* Btdc
Stock thermostat temp: 170*F (76.6c)
Rocker arm ratio: 1.422:1
Intake manifold runner length: (head to TB flange) = 10.236in (260mm)
Throttle body CFM: = 458cfm
Throttle body diameter: = 2.362in (60mm)
Intake valve diameter: = 1.34in (34.1mm)
Exhaust valve diameter: = 1.618in (41.1mm)
Head port length: = 1.57in (40mm) Intake and Exhaust

Rod/Stroke ratio: 1.719
Bore/Stroke ratio: 0.927
Rod length: 6.496in (165mm)
Piston pin height: 1.338 inches (34.0mm)
Piston dish: -2.8cc's
Piston pin diameter: .826inch (21mm)
Cylinder volume: 597.3cc
Combustion chamber volume: 65cc
Head gasket thickness: (crushed) .040in (1.0mm)
Valve angle: 45* Intake and exhaust


Stock Head flow numbers: (Since MyHomePage doesn't exist anymore)

Intake: 28" Water pressure
.1 ----- 79cfm
.15 --- 119.3cfm
.2 -----145.3cfm
.25 --- 172.7cfm
.3 ----- 193.1cfm
.4 ----- 206cfm
.5 ----- 205.8cfm
.6 ----- 203cfm

Exhaust: 28" Water pressure
.1 ----- 54.9cfm
.15 --- 70.4cfm
.2 ----- 85.4cfm
.25 ---- 99.9cfm
.3 ----- 113.3cfm
.4 ----- 137.1cfm
.5 ----- 147cfm
.6 ----- 145.9cfm

Ignition break points: Info was taken from "Rom Editor" using a stock 1989 ignition map.

750rpm = 15* Btdc
1,200rpm = 20* Btdc
2,400rpm = 24* Btdc
3,500rpm = 22* Btdc
4,000rpm = 20* Btdc
4,700rpm = 23* Btdc
5,200rpm = 25* Btdc
5,500rpm - 6250rpm (rev limit) = 26* Btdc

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Re: Idea's idea's
« Reply #56 on: Feb 20, 2013, 11:43AM »
Too lazy, that's me! And I really don't know enough to have a decent conversation with you's lol.

Out of what you put down, the "O&J stage 2 Hydraulic Cam" seems to best option.. If you can't go over a 270 grind without doing bottom end work anyway (I'd prefer not to if I could, I think it will be quick enough for my liking for now).

It has a bigger lift over the competitors, which I'm guessing is better.
Price is really good too.

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Re: Idea's idea's
« Reply #57 on: Feb 20, 2013, 11:58AM »
You can go as big a cam as you like on a standard bottom end, however, you won't see it's full potential by doing so.

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« Reply #58 on: Feb 20, 2013, 12:45PM »

Price is really good too.

you would just get it done through wades, using a billet from them. you wouldn't be ordering from the states, it would cost you a fortune.

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« Reply #59 on: Feb 23, 2013, 07:00PM »
ahhh, this sounds good. Il proably go for the 300 grind, like orignially planned (yes through wades). Im half and half for rebuilding the bottom end. Reading the project threads and itb threads is a terrible thing :L

On a side note, i was digging about flywheels. I dont want to shave a 200'000k old one..
This came to my attention:
http://www.frsport.com/Fidanza-Lightened-Flywheel-Nissan-240SX-89-98_p_1387.html

Also found some important quotes:

The flywheel would be alot stronger than stock, also lighter, but in a sense a heavier flywheel than this could be good,
slighty ligther than stock would give you the responsiveness you want, and keep you in your powerband for longer,
too light will just outrev it way too fast..
Thats what i've learnt from reading and talking to others about their experiances.

I've got 2 OEM KA24E flywheels sitting here at home, both weigh approx 10kg each, or 22lbs.
I will certainly be getting a lighter chromoly aftermarket item.

The FIDANZA flywheel weighs in at 10.5 lbs, almost half of the OEM ones.. Is this too light, like chris was saying?
Also, its a Ka24e from a 240sx. RWD. I dont think i brushed upon an answer in that thread, so does it fit up?