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What sort of Brakes???
« on: Oct 27, 2003, 10:13PM »
I want to upgrade the braking system on my trx. What should i be lookin at? money is not an issue. Does DBA have anything for the trx. Also is it true that the u13 aussie Bluebird uses the same type of system. That tells me that any upgrade for the b/bird can be used for the TRX.

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Re:What sort of Brakes???
« Reply #1 on: Oct 28, 2003, 01:26AM »
Get metal Kings.  those pads hold up well to heat and have heaps of bite!!
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Re:What sort of Brakes???
« Reply #2 on: Oct 28, 2003, 09:19AM »
dba used to sell slotted & drilled/slotted.. but a week or two before i ordered mine they stopped making the drilled & slotted rotors so i got just slotted.

u13 brakes are from memory, 1" larger than u12 brakes, so if you dont already have larger wheels, you will need to get some to run them, not to mention u13 calipers etc..

also sir_trx and sssgtr have done r32 brake upgrades.. not quite sure how much bigger the r32 brakes are i think they're maybe 1.5" bigger? i'd check my dba catalog but i've lost it  :-\

if your trx is stock though, dba slotted rotors and some good pads (not over the top rotor chewing pads) will do the job 100% fine & much better than stock. i have a fair whack more power than a stock trx & when i upgraded from my stock rotors & average pads to the slotted dba's and bendix ultimate pads the difference was unreal & i'm more than confident with the stopping power of my current setup.

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Re:What sort of Brakes???
« Reply #3 on: Oct 28, 2003, 09:47AM »
also sir_trx and sssgtr have done r32 brake upgrades.. not quite sure how much bigger the r32 brakes are i think they're maybe 1.5" bigger? i'd check my dba catalog but i've lost it  :-\

I have 90% of the parts, just haven't put them on the car yet. the rotors i am using are 11" R32 slotted rotors (10" are standard diameter) which are 8mm thicker than standard.
sir_trx's rotors are GTR items, he had to have them machined to bring the overall diameter down to fit.

This type of brake upgrade done properly with good rotors/pads/brake lines etc comes to nearly $1k.

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Re:What sort of Brakes???
« Reply #4 on: Oct 28, 2003, 07:36PM »
Cool thanx very much... I like the sounds of the r32 upgrade... lol i think i might aswell buy an r32 now, i got the rear wing idea, now the brakes, i wonder wats next.. lol.. :P

I think i might stick with the dba rotors and some good calipers, unless u guys know where i can get the r32 upgrade done in sydney.
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Re:What sort of Brakes???
« Reply #5 on: Oct 28, 2003, 08:54PM »
ask yourself does my car really requirean upgrade or can i make the most of what i have got without spending the $$$$$$$$   ::)

if your not running mega power then good quality pads and discs may be good enough.
the main thing is so that your pads/discs do not glaze up.
this is where the slotted or slotted/crossdrilled work well.

i would not recomend metal kings as they do work very good ,
the will chew through your discs quicker than the pads wear out,
and pads are cheaper than discs. :(

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Re:What sort of Brakes???
« Reply #6 on: Oct 28, 2003, 09:07PM »
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ask yourself does my car really requirean upgrade or can i make the most of what i have got without spending the $$$$$$$$  

I may be young but im not stoopid. And i'd rather have a good suspension/brake setup than a highly modified engine...  Also with a good brakes and suspension, i could modify the car a bit later on down the track when insurance isnt killing me like it is now.

BTW... u guys noe of any places in sydney???


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Re:What sort of Brakes???
« Reply #7 on: Oct 29, 2003, 07:04AM »
if your not running mega power then good quality pads and discs may be good enough.

I plan on running some big numbers with the turbo setup, hence the brakes.
No, sorry, i don't know of anyone in sydney. A workshop would probably end up asking for $2k for this upgrade, IMO if you're forking out that much it isn't worth it. If i remember i might do a writeup on how to do the complete swap.

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Re:What sort of Brakes???
« Reply #8 on: Oct 29, 2003, 02:40PM »
yeah what mr. trx was getting at is that if your car is stock, then just go the dba's & good pads.. or even just good pads for the moment. which is really the same point i was getting at.

i can quite confidently say that my car is at least one of the top 2 highest powered non turbo ka24e pintaras here & i have the dba rotors & good pads & my braking is more than adequate for the power i have.. there isnt much more you could do to my car as a non turbo car, so massive brakes are pointless.

sirtrx & sssgtr has reason to install massive brakes as sir_trx is punching out more than 200kw @ the wheels and sssgtr is hoping to get similar figures.

dont spend money unless you need to. if your not going to be going turbo anytime soon, then just get good replacement gear like i have. i will let you know how i go when i'm making 160kw @ the wheels on my current brakes.

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Re:What sort of Brakes???
« Reply #9 on: Oct 29, 2003, 02:44PM »
I second that, the Pintara std brakes are very good with some decent pads at least. I have been using EBC greenstuff pads for the last 2 years or so, and the stopping power with them is unreal.

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Re:What sort of Brakes???
« Reply #10 on: Oct 29, 2003, 04:51PM »
Fair enough.. How quickly does the pad fade away with the EBC brand?? Don't they use a special composite or something...
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Re:What sort of Brakes???
« Reply #11 on: Oct 30, 2003, 07:17PM »
just an example of how good our brakes are i took my old car / jay's new car
around sandown raceway on a test day

i had on the front   crossdrilled & slotted discs with standard compound pads

         on the rear   slotted only with semi-metalic pads

i did 54 laps that day with 27 of those laps consecutivly / without stopping
most of the time i was doing 200 + klm down the front and back straights
anyone who knows sandown knows that it is very hard on the brakes at the end of the
two straights I CAN PROUDLY SAY THAT I DID NOT HAVE ANY BRAKE FADE THROUGHOUT THE DAY.  8)
but ironicly on my last lap , as i went into the pits my front pads were down to metal
so i had to spend $74.00 on some cheap brand to get home again.

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Re:What sort of Brakes???
« Reply #12 on: Dec 4, 2003, 08:44AM »
when i was pulling my gearbox out of the car i took somes close up pics of the brakes for anyone thinking of doing the r32 conversion. just shows how they are attached

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Re:What sort of Brakes???
« Reply #13 on: Dec 4, 2003, 08:47AM »
and here is a pic of the redrilled discs to a 4 stud pattern. these are off a r32 GTR and differ to the gts-t brakes.

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Re:What sort of Brakes???
« Reply #14 on: Dec 4, 2003, 10:24AM »
Those calipers looks like the mounts where a straght bolt on where they  

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Re:What sort of Brakes???
« Reply #15 on: Dec 4, 2003, 01:50PM »
I see you were a naughty boy and re-used your old brake lines.....i'm having SS braided ones made up with the correct R32 caliper fitting.
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Re:What sort of Brakes???
« Reply #16 on: Dec 4, 2003, 02:22PM »
Thanks sssgtr looks like a simple mod after you get the disc redrilled and is their any slotted rotors that will fit as not a fan of crossdrilled

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Re:What sort of Brakes???
« Reply #17 on: Dec 4, 2003, 02:54PM »
check the dba catalog. there are discs.

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Re:What sort of Brakes???
« Reply #18 on: Dec 6, 2003, 02:39PM »
yes im still using the standard lines. just some slight modifacations and they and they are fine. if you can get away with it than why not! if you are using the dba rotors instead of the standard gtr ones than its alot harder to machine the disc back to fit cos the venting fins. the dba fins come right to the edge of the disc whereas the gtr ones are about 8mm in so its way easier to machine. also the gtr discs are a directional venting system, they scoop the air up alot better than the dba ones.
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Re:What sort of Brakes???
« Reply #19 on: Dec 6, 2003, 04:51PM »
yes im still using the standard lines. just some slight modifacations and they and they are fine. if you can get away with it than why not!

I wanted to get SS braided lines anyway for a firmer pedal.

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Re:What sort of Brakes???
« Reply #20 on: Dec 17, 2003, 09:30PM »
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DBA Silvia/180sx rotors are identical to the pintara ones, but they are 280mm big vs. our 258mm (11" vs. 10.1")....you already know what i'm thinking right? Nice, big brakes  ;D
Started pricing slotted ones already. Just hafta make up the spacers for mounting the calipers correctly. Need the new rims on first for clearance issues.
From interchangeable parts topic by ssgtr wouldnt these be the perfect choice for the gtr conversion as they are 11inches same as the gtr ones ?

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Re:What sort of Brakes???
« Reply #21 on: Dec 17, 2003, 09:55PM »
GTS-T/GTR rotors are actually much cheaper than the Silvia/180 rotors, plus the silvia/180 rotors are too thin, they are 22mm (i think?) whereas for the 4 piston calipers, depending on the type of caliper (iron, aluminium, turbo, NA etc) are anywhere from 28mm to 32mm thick. the ones i am going to use require 30mm thick rotors (or could be 28mm, i can't remember).