Nissans are from Mars, Commodores are from Uranus

[Big Pimp]

As the voice of Commodore on this site, I would like to propose a new topic.

It seems that the natural enemy of the TRX is the Commodore. This could be that many TRX owners don't understand the commodore or the people who own them. I'd like to represent the commodore population and try to answer any questions you have about commodores or why commodore drivers do the things they do, or you can just use this link to pay out Commodores! Either way its up to you.

[KNG P1N]

ehehehehe this could be dangerous. i just dont like commonwhores. especially vl's. mainly cuz im a ford fan.thats bout it
death to skaife

[SSS]

I nearly bought a VN Calais. Thank god i didn't. 
It seemed ok at the time though, it was auto 
For some reason i was hell bent on getting a RWD car, cos i had this frame of mind that FWD just wasn't right for some reason.

[noss]

yeah i was the same (the fwd thing) but then i drove fwd cars at work (twin cam excels and a n13 sss vector) and it quickly changed my point of view.

i guess just as long as commodore people from elsewhere dont sign up and start a flame war then i got no problems with this thread.

also i dont find the commodore as an enemy, i just despise some of the drivers. like on the weekend, i met one guy that drove a vn and he was a top bloke, and the other guy with the vs, well you know all about him and his antics from my other thread. i think its a bit harsh or childish when some people here generalise that all vn drivers or all vl drivers a wankers but drivers of the newer models arent.

[Budgie]

I think its directly related to the fall of each models re-sale value.

VR's and VS's are starting to become affoordable to P platers who are on apprentice wages or worked alot (like bob, 'Big Pimp'...lol).  The problem with that is, VN's and VP's are becoming even cheaper and the thrashers buy 'em knowing they will last a while and do burnouts if you turn a corner and plant it...

The number of VL's has decreased around geelong and most of the ones I see and in good nick now, but there are SOOO many shitbox VN's either lowered to obvlivion or just lexcens with no badges...

I only know one commodore driver and thats Bob.  Everyone else I know either drives a FWD car or a Ford.  My whole extended family drives fords, must come from the 'working at fords' in geelong.  We have a Ford Corsair, a Ford Laser LXi and a Ford Falcon (EL).  Plus a few other brands... lol

I see VN's as the ememy as they are just so damn gay!  Unless they are an SS or a VQ stato.  The VN SS is the fastest V8 SS cmmo 2nd to the VY isn't it?

[noss]

it comes down to a few things.. the market value of the car plus the background of the person, their up bringing and their type of work they're in.

i know its a bit of a generalisation, just like your generalising the point 'people that buy vn's are fuckheads' but i think the majority of these 'idiot' drivers are people that work in the automotive industry, such as mechanics and panel beaters. that kind of stuff. the apprentices especially. not saying that all people in the industry are idiots, but it seems to be where a lot of them are.

you could be a very normal person, and just decide that for your first car, a vn commodore will have to do as it is what is in your price range.

[SSS]

Yeah the VN SS is quick, my mate's slightly modded one (extractors, some sort of twin 2.25" exhaust that came with the car, thermofans, CAI) beat a CV8 Monaro from a rolling start, it was from about 60 to 90 i think.

[rollaboy]

reasons why i dislike commodores -

[rollaboy]

dunno what just happened to my computer, but anyways..................

reasons why i dislike commodores -

- because when a P plater gets behind the wheel of one, they think its a license to be fully sik, and do stupid shit that endangers teh lives of others on the road. they way that some of them are driven are just disgraceful!!! the number of crashed commodores that just wiped out 5 teenagers lives joy riding in the car on the news is a unbelievable.

- Every1 has one. which just means that in general, when some1 (mainly yound drivers ) buy a commodore, they are doing it to be "cool" like every1 else

- They are a family car that is driven like a sports car (exception to VL turbo's, and most new V8's -  i think these ARE good performance cars)

[vector]

its not the cars (not saying i like them there GAY to drive) i hate its the people that drive them they attract dickheds in my expierieces real like dirty people that wear  hsv singlets with there man tits hanging out the sides, all of my mates that are into cars like  commodores(well alot of em thank god there not full blown bogans) conversation that took place in my car from 2 friends "see my skid last night? ""yeh all commodores do good skids man you shoulda seen this on my mate did the other night" and on and on this is about the time i tune out these are my expieriences i also know someone with a vn thats a realy nice guy so yeh

oh yeh and i almost got my head kicked in on new years from 6 guys with hsv shirts  for saying you guys into the holdens or somthing mate? (as a joke, i was introduced by a friend of a friend)

and shouldnt it be commodores are from uranus  

i know its a bit of a generalisation, just like your generalising the point 'people that buy vn's are f*ckheads' but i think the majority of these 'idiot' drivers are people that work in the automotive industry, such as mechanics and panel beaters. that kind of stuff. the apprentices especially. not saying that all people in the industry are idiots, but it seems to be where a lot of them are.

you could be a very normal person, and just decide that for your first car, a vn commodore will have to do as it is what is in your price range.

i got me a genuine ex nissan mechanic thats very good at what he does, but i have to agree apprentices are usaully bogans where im from but the mechanics arnt but i dont live in some chronic city

just my .02 cents

[noss]

and shouldnt it be commodores are from uranus  

hehe updated


yeh i meant mainly the apprentices, but there are some guys that never grow out of the idiocy. i know about 5 mechanics that are real good blokes and i'd never stick them in the category of a moron.

[Urq!]

plus there is a lot more comadores on the road (and a lot in bogan front yards on blocks ) than other cars so you would have to expect there would be more tools driving commanwhores than other cars.

[Big Pimp]

Wow, I never thought this would be so popular!

and shouldnt it be commodores are from uranus 

I was considering it, but I thought there would be enough payouts flying any way

As to the rearwheel frontwheel thing, I think its a culture thing. It's what makes commodore drivers do 'Fully Sick Skids' because it is so easy, especially in VN's because of how unballanced they are, and how they were tuned (They actually de-tuned the VP becausew to many old ladies were riding of their VN's due to the responsiveness) And most of the people who buy VN's now are inexperienced P'platers who plant the foot and go wow I'm doing a fully sic skid, but don't know how to correct it (they also find it hard to see through their beanies) and when they are showing off to their friends that is when they end up killing someone.

The reason I like rear wheel drive is because the thoucht of understeer scares the hell out of me, If I'm fanging into a corner I'd perfer to loose the back and over steer, rather than understeer and go in head first (just my oppinion, feel free to comment)

The fact that commodores are so common which also means cheap is also another reason that so many scosers have them, and you only ever notice a bad commodore because all the stock ones are common they just blend into the scenery. If you want to see the worlds biggest collection of scosser commodores go to Broad Meddows, in particular Kangan Batman Tafe (I don't think they sell springs in Broadie cause no one seems to have them)

Whith two mainstreem car companies in australia and the V8 Supercar circuit and Australians passion for their favorite team, that is what makes commodore drivers so one eyed (and also ford drivers) I remember when I was a big VC driving commodore nut, seeing Lownds go to ford. I remember saying 'he should have died in that rollover he had while in HRT, atleast he would have died with dignity'. I know that was a stupid comment but you get swept up with the culture. I don't watch the V8's any more (Partly cause Holden is getting it's ass whooped!)

[noss]

hehe.. my comment re: fwd vs. rwd isn't a dig at you, but, the reason that a lot of car manufacturers make fwd cars now is not only because its cheaper, but because it is easier to correct understeer than oversteer.

basically, the majority of car manufacturer's views is that, if its not a race car, then it shouldnt have to be rwd. there was also a time when a lot of young female drivers and nannas were dying or causing accidents as a result of losing control of their rwd cars (this is what i have read anyway) all you have to do to correct understeer is to slow down.. i dunno. thats what i read anyway.

[vector]

you shouldnt get understeer if ya do your going to quick i hate breaking mid corner its always best to brake before and accelerate through

i think ive only ever got it once in a u12 but that was more bodyroll then anything

[NeVetS]

I have too friends with commodores one is a vh the other a vp. The VH is owed by matt who some people meet on the last cruise, one of the nicest guys on the planet. He drives he car in the most no dero way i've ever seen a commodore been driven. The VH is also one of the nicest mechcanical wise i ever been in and herd! The Other guy i work with is also one of the nicest guy ever. He drives the VP like its ment to be driven (only the odd wheels spin here and there!) and it's a manual! Its also the best looking commodore of it age ever. He had it respayed and keep it it's factory colour. Looks really nice for a com.

But then theres the VN drivers that think there car can take courners at 100kmh and the say cold air in take on there car is better than a turbo *cough* loser*cough* I know OF two people who crashed there VN's and nearly killed them selves. I call these people the VNdisorders! Everytime i see one i also ask 'what options did your car come with? Air con, pwr steer, coffin?'

I think the reason why most of as don't have friends that drive like nobs behind the wheel of a commodore is because we can choose our friends and we don't choose to know degraded f*cks like that. PS i really hate VN's   

[noss]

nah if your going too fast you will get understeer. i'm not saying your supposed to brake mid corner, but that is what you do to correct the understeer.

[Jtas]

Yeah the VN SS is quick, my mate's slightly modded one (extractors, some sort of twin 2.25" exhaust that came with the car, thermofans, CAI) beat a CV8 Monaro from a rolling start, it was from about 60 to 90 i think.

add in twin throttle bodies and a few more mods and we shall find out what power my mates has on the weekend

[Big Pimp]

The only front wheel drive cars I have driven have been pretty slow. auto 90 Magna 4cyl, auto Hyundae Elantra, manual Excell, Budginators car . Though I must say I pushed the Excell into some corners pretty hard while test driving it and didn't recieve too much understeer.

I can't really help loving RWD cars, I even prefer them in NFS Underground, I just know how to controll them better.
I have kinda grown up with them. I have a commodore family my bros car is a VP S-pack which never leaves the garage and my dads car is is a VR BT1 (Thats police pack) and before that we had a EB Series II wagon and before that it was a HJ Kingswood Wagon (Wagons Suck  )

[Budgie]

Yeah my cars slow... its the 'sexy slug'. hehe

[POVR31]

I still like my commies i think its part of being australian. "bigger is better". but then u start to realise that WTF holdens are made basically from OPELS. one of the coolest commies VL turbo has jap enigne and opel body shape. the new commodore has an american chev. Even the Walkinshaw is basically european. I think the most australian commie id the VN group A with the aussie V8 thats what i would get. So yeah the point is it is only the media giving the impression that holdens are australian, they are not really.

So i came to the conclusion to buy the best engineered car instead of the most popular car in price range R31. Common is bad and good i by a car to go fast not to stand out that just means ya car gets more attention and is more likely to get vandalised.

VN's go pretty hard but they are still a fmaily sedan not a performance vehcle top range holden would cane top range pintara got it.
yeah finished now the moral is commies are good and bad and people should respect other peoples preferences and opinions.

except lancers with 3inch exhausts and fake aluminium fuel cap stickers

[Big Pimp]

If you brake during oversteer you are pretty well fucked (Unless you have ABS) which is probably what happend to those two friends of yours who crashed NeVetS. Panicked and hit the brakes when they lost controll.

VN drivers who think that a cold air is better than a turbo obviously don't know anything about cars and just brought the fastest stock vehicle they could for $5000 and didn't consider handling. It is VN drivers that give the rest of us a bad name, but don't worry, they're all driving themselves into extinction!

[Big Pimp]

It is a sexy slug Budge!

except lancers with 3inch exhausts and fake aluminium fuel cap stickers

Thank you for showing us the real enemy

[JIMB0]

all you have to do to correct understeer is to slow down.. i dunno. thats what i read anyway.

When I push my corsair hard through a corner while on the throttle it will understeer, but when I let of the throttle it goes into tail happy snap-oversteer which is not that easy to correct.

[Budgie]

Its now becoming an Understeer Vs Oversteer thread ... lol

I can attest to that shitty snap oversteer Jimbo.  I have suffered it a few times before I learnt how to control it correctly.  It gets worse with lowering and better tyres/rims.  As you grip more, but when you loose it you loose it big time.

180' accidental spin outside a cop shop good enough?  lol

I too enjpy oversteer more than understeer however.  I only get to experience it once I've lost control in my corsair or i'm driving my dads company car.

[noss]

ah just to clarify i didnt really mean brake. i didnt mean completely let your foot off the accelerator either.. i know how to control understeer and oversteer, at least confidently enough to get my ass out of trouble. and the bit on the end of that quote where i wrote 'i dunno. thats what i read anyway' was referring to the car manufacturers preferring fwd cause its safer, not the understeer correctment.

Its now becoming an Understeer Vs Oversteer thread ... lol

no its not. if it gets off topic too much the thread will be locked. there should be a bunch of threads elsewhere locked, but cheeky moderators keep unlocking them.

[SSS]

add in twin throttle bodies and a few more mods and we shall find out what power my mates has on the weekend

nice....the VN SS's owner i was talking about, his cousin had a 600hp NA VR, huge compression, huge cam, custom twin tb's, haltech ecu....everything. He sold that car a while back apparently, but returned it to stock before doing so. So my mate has the opportunity to run the twin tb's his cousin used.....but for some reason he's not going to. beats the hell out of me why not. 

Tas, V8's that size notice significant gains from such breathing mods, your mate will be quite happy with himself.

[noss]

VN's go pretty hard but they are still a fmaily sedan not a performance vehcle top range holden would cane top range pintara got it.

you gotta compare apples with apples. comparing a top range commodore (hsv v8) with a top of the range pintara (96kw 4cyl) is not a valid comparison. no one here (ok maybe one member) is saying that the pintara is the fastest thing on the face of the planet.

yeah finished now the moral is commies are good and bad and people should respect other peoples preferences and opinions.

thats exactly right, you have to respect others opinions. just like i prefer fords to holdens. like i prefer imports to the majority of aussie delivered cars. that i'd love to own a pimped chevy silverado. their my opinions. no one here has really said 'people that like holdens are fuckheads' thats not the way this thread should go. the point that has been raised (which we all know anyway) is that there are certain people that choose to drive commodores for whatever reason that are wankers. but then there are also the same type of wankers that choose to drive fords, imports, and even ferarris. it just so happens that bob, who is a commodore driver, started this thread, funnily enough, about commodores.

[Big Pimp]

Or when your in my car hey budge

[Budgie]

Go bob!  Go commodores... if they are V8's

[Big Pimp]

you gotta compare apples with apples. comparing a top range commodore (hsv v8) with a top of the range pintara (96kw 4cyl) is not a valid comparison.

Too true noss, The commodore would be more like a watermellon, A stock watermellon may roll down a hill faster, but it don't turn too well!

yeah finished now the moral is commies are good and bad and people should respect other peoples preferences and opinions.

Can't we all just get along

[NeVetS]

If you brake during oversteer you are pretty well f*cked (Unless you have ABS) which is probably what happend to those two friends of yours who crashed NeVetS. Panicked and hit the brakes when they lost controll.

Yeah lets just say the one that is a friend can't drive to good! But he ownes a 89 celica now and hasn't had anything happen yet! As for the other guy that also said that thing about turbos was just a f*ckhead that i went to school with!(In no way a friend) When i got the pinny he got all cut n sh*t saying his car could do this and that because everyone lliked mine better(One of the better cars in the school car park back then). I laught at him.

. It is VN drivers that give the rest of us a bad name, but don't worry, they're all driving themselves into extinction!

 

HA lol lets hope so!

[WantaTRX]

I'm with the "everyone has their own opinion" thing, even though I am an extremely strong Ford fan and I despise commodores... I do think that every has their rights, because i can see that I don't like commodores, so others are quite entitled to see thigns differently, i mean hell, if we all thought the same, how queer would that be?

Shawn

[Browny_r31]

lol i just hate aussie cars in general. Nah the thing that annoys me is two main reasons:

Vl drivers think they are soo much faster than r31 drivers simply because they have a fully sik holden computer on it (that makes shit all differance) when in fact a vl has around 5 less kws than a r31 stock. (liek 5 kws make a hell of alot of differance really).

The other thing is that on large car cruises u always get a wanker commo driver doing burnouts and being fully sik which attracts the cops and gets the cop to defect the jap imports. When really the jap cars have done nothing wrong and are being civilised performance car lovers. I have often been on car cruises where it has been all good, lots of high performance jap imported cars being well behaved then a group of commodores rock up do burnouts and leave.... 5 misn the cops are there defecting all the cars still there meanwhile the commos are gone.

Lastly the whole chop the rear springs and leave the fronts normals as it makes my car hanlde better and loks killla is shit. I hate that look. It looks crap and makes your car handle worse.

Thats what annoys me with commodores. My family used to have a VR clubsport and it was a really nice car. i learnt to drive in it and i have no complaints about the car what so eva. Its just the people that drive them (true not all commodore drivers are wankers just being very general).

[Febrile]

I can attest to that shitty snap oversteer Jimbo.  I have suffered it a few times before I learnt how to control it correctly.  It gets worse with lowering and better tyres/rims.  As you grip more, but when you loose it you loose it big time.

Can I ask, just how fast are we erm.... "theorising" about going around corners at?  I've had my Corsair for 3+ years, and to my knowledge, never experienced major understeer.  I've taken to occasional corner reasonably fast (ie faster than is safe to do so), but I couldn't tell you about the disadvantages of understeer, because I can't identify it!

As far as Commodores go, personally, I think they're the nicer looking car (compared to Falcons).  Never driven a Falcon or a Commodore though.  (Actually, I've driven very few RWD cars!)

I must say, I do like the look of a tastefully done VL Calais...

[Budgie]

I guess your smarter than us then Narxysus and are slowing down more!   I'm talking about oversteer as well, not understeer.  You pretty much get that whenever you spin the front wheels and try to turn a corner, especially in the wet.  The car just wants to plough forward.

There are a few particular corners on the way to and from my place of work that have caught me out a few times with 'snap oversteer'.

Anyway, I too like a nice VL.  Especially if its a nice VLT Calais.  Pity holden didn't style them, or design & build the motor.

[Browny_r31]

yeah i tend to agree with that. A VLT calais is probably the nicest Holden eva made..... funny that holden didnt design much of it really or build the engine. Go the nissan engines still number 1 in my books

[JIMB0]

I think the RB30e in the vl commodore would be more advanced than the V6 pushrod motor in new commodores.

[JIMB0]

Can I ask, just how fast are we erm.... "theorising" about going around corners at? 

Try a roundabout at 70-80k

[Bluprint]

I think the RB30e in the vl commodore would be more advanced than the V6 pushrod motor in new commodores.

I think that the overall engine design is, but apparently the electronic management and the ignition isn't
I'd believe the bit about the management....there is about 18 years difference between the 2, and the current V6 uses electronic ignition instead of a distributor
Up to VS2 I'd say yes the RB30 is more advanced.

They're basically as efficient as each other
Current Commodore produces 40kw per litre of capacity, RB30 produces 38kw per litre
So I guess that spotlights the VN & VP engines as dogs, which only manage 32.8 or so kw per litre

Just think of an S2000 engine..... 68kw per litre....mmm high strung

[Tim-E]

The other thing is that on large car cruises u always get a wanker commo driver doing burnouts and being fully sik which attracts the cops and gets the cop to defect the jap imports. When really the jap cars have done nothing wrong.

i know this is a bit off topic. But the jap cars have done something wrong - they are driving a car with defects. Nothing shits me more than people who complain "oh f$%king cops defected me cos of my neons!". take the risk, pay the price.
However, it is still very annoying that wankers in commodores fuck cruises up though cos its end up labelling everyone as being stupid hoons 

[Big Pimp]

Lastly the whole chop the rear springs and leave the fronts normals as it makes my car hanlde better and loks killla is sh*t. I hate that look. It looks crap and makes your car handle worse.

I thought this barbaric practice whent out with american grafiti

Any way with the VL's. It's like when you build something with lego, you didn't design the blocks, but when you put them together nicely, your damn proud.

Also the RB30 wouldn't have enough torque to pull the later model holdens (And old peoples caravans in the calais) as well as the pushrod motor

[squid]

there are wankers that drive imports as well as wankers that drive commodores. there will always be wankers, no matter what cars they are driving. i drive a commodore sometimes, does that make me a wanker (don't answer that question :p)? commodores aren't that bad to drive, and they are quite fuel efficient and good as a family car, and that is what they are meant to be. with some proper suspension work, they actually handle quite well, and have also got quite a bit of power stock. i was looking at getting one before i got the pulsar (i got it because it was cheap), and a commodore would be my second choice of car after an s13

[noss]

the point that has been raised (which we all know anyway) is that there are certain people that choose to drive commodores for whatever reason that are wankers. but then there are also the same type of wankers that choose to drive fords, imports, and even ferarris.

so um.. yeh, if its just gonna be the same points continuosly mentioned on every page i'll lock this thread as its gonna go nowhere.

[Big Pimp]

Ok we'll try and get this topic off of wanking, if you want to discuss that log onto Dr. Feelgood

What is the strangest or crappest mod/s you have seen on a Commodore?
If you can put up a photo of it and we'll try and work out the reasoning for it

[noss]

the holden sticker on the windscreen is my favourite crap mod. that and the nismo sticker on a vn.

[squid]

a vk with a bonnet bulge, with a supercharger painted onto the bulge

[Budgie]

Here is a brilliant commodore, even has a stylish key mark down the side...

[JIMB0]

Those roof racks and hub caps really top it off.

[FalconGuy]

Without wishing to ignite a FWD vs RWD flamewar (I came to this thread abit late)...

FWD was made popular by two groundbreaking cars.

The first being the Citroen Traction Avant, which showed (in the 40's) that FWD was better for handling in the snow and other icy conditions. Something which makes the FWD layout still so popular in America and Europe today. The Yanks had 6.6L 325HP Chain Driven FWD Oldsmobile or similar at one stage in the 1970s.

The other one was the Mini. Alec Issogonis (sp?) showed that you could have an extremely small car(due to the East-West Engine Layout) that was fast, handled well and could carry 4 decent sized adults.

However with the advent of: Non Agricultural 4WD set-up's (the Jenson Interceptor FF had the 4wd system from a Massey-Ferguson Tractor!) and more recently all the acronyms like: TC, ESP, YC, ABD, ABS, ATTESSA,EBD etc etc etc Rear Wheel Drive has come back into fashion because the offer more fun and driver involvement. Apparently Audi is looking at RWD again and Chrysler has released its first RWD Sedan in many years, the 300C.


As for Holden Commodores....I thought I may as well have added something constructive with my post instead of having many ****asterisked**** words. Not a big fan of them at all! Though the Amberley Autos Twin Turbo LS1 Monaro, YUM 

[JIMB0]

A lot of commodores get exported because they are a big cheap RWD. The main cars these days that are RWD are luxury cars such as Mercedes and BMW, which are too expensive for most people.

[Browny_r31]

or the sports car like the s2000, 350z rx8 etc. They are all main RWD cars. The only cars that are FWD are the small buzz boxs ons and mitsushitties.

[thumbtack]

i must be the biggest freak here! I am an absolute holden freak. bu ti wouldn't say im a holden fuckwit.... just an average one!  but yeah, i've grown up with absolutely no motoring input from my folks and i basically orgasm  at the sight of a sweet holden..... but i will admit that there are some commo drivers who are total bogans.  if they had it their way, the seat covers would be the same as their fave flannelette shirt..... but i do luvs my baby........ nissans rock..... but holden utes forever.........

[noss]

on the subject of holdens, i saw a yellow cv8 monaro the other night with two holes in the bonnet.

one hole had a pod filter sticking out of it on a 45 degree angle, the other hole had a supercharger sticking out of it.

the plates on it were 'EASY10'


didnt have my camera with me so i couldnt take pics. i didnt like it anyway, the pod filter looked tacky and i hate the bright yellow on the monaros, it just doesnt suit them.

[Pringles]

lol so the pod was actually outa the bonet, mmmm i bet thats a target and a half

[Browny_r31]

yeah great when it rains too i guess. stupid

[Deanodriver]

Go bob!  Go commodores... if they are V8's

The V8 Commodores aren't bad, I'd consider owning one, the V6 Commodores are another story, however. I've been in many a VN (and driven a couple), and although they're pretty easy to drive cars, they're not the performance cars that some of the owners make them out to be. Besides, the V6 is, IMO, a rough old POS engine.

Then again, I'm a Ford man, so I'd rather a Falcon (6 or V8), we've owned both, and they've both been fine (mainly Fords though), and I like my Japanese cars too (go the Pintara). On FWD vs RWD, I've driven my old man's Pulsar many times, and I don't find FWD all that bad in the smaller cars, but on a larger car, I'd prefer a RWD. Hence, I'll be looking at Falcons when it comes time to upgrade the Pintara (hopefully EF2 Fairmont Ghia)

It's not necessarily the Commodores themselves that deserve the reputation, it's some of the drivers, although you see that with every car, Commodores, Falcons, Lancers, Skylines, hell, maybe even Pintaras.

[Budgie]

We certainly did see it with a pintara once... melbourne cruiser's will know what I mean

I like driving with Bob in his commodore, its roomy, comfy and the heater starts to work really quickly

But I like my corsair for throwing around corners and cruising through town.

[Big Pimp]

The V6 in the VN is a shockingly rough drive but the VS V6 is a different story due to the new computer controlled dual mode gear box and the refining of the engin with ECOTECH heads

The ECOTEC (Emissions and Consumption Optimisation TEChnology) V6 is more powerful, more economic, produces less emissions, quieter and smoother than the previous 3800 V6

You can't discredit the whole V6 range after driving the most slaped together model ever made by holden. The ECOTECH heads gives the VS an extra 22kW (125 kW stock to 147 kW stock) I know the figures aren't that impressive when compared to the 5L or 5.7L V8 but they are still a nice car to drive and with a few suspension and performance mods they make a very wicked ride.

[noss]

yeah great when it rains too i guess. stupid

it was parked on the sideof the road in the pouring rain when i saw it

[Big Pimp]

You have truly found a fully sick commodore Budge, it even has burnout wheels on the back for fully sick skids!

As for the Holden stickers I have to confess that I had one on my fully sick VC:-[(Let he who is without sin cast the first stone Ooh eeeh ouch!) But if you had such a rare car as a commodore you would probably get sick of people constantly asking you what kind of car you had. Or maybe they are saying it may be a VN but atleast its not a Lexen

[Febrile]

One thing I don't like about Commodores, being bigger cars and all, is the fuel consumption.  Granted, the majority of the people on the forum here probably don't give a toss, being car enthusiasts and all, but still, you're looking at like twice the rate of consumption, compared to a Pintara, are you not?

[Budgie]

I think a VS has a fuel tank about the same size as our cars Narxysus... 60 litres

And they can really chew the juice around town.  I think they get very good economy on the highway though.

[Big Pimp]

My fuel tank is 59L

I get shit house economy around town, about 400-500km per tank but when I'm on the highway I get great economy, probably cause I'm sitting on 1900rpm at 100km/h

[squid]

commodores don't have that bad fuel efficiency, and i don't know how much your pintaras use but the commodore definitely doesn't use twice as much as my pulsar.

[FalconGuy]

We hired a VT Exec in Adelaide and drove it across to Melbourne and right back up the centre to home, about 1800K all up from memory. It had amazing eceonmy for such a car, we were getting over 40MPG (assuming the speedo was right) out of it,but the suspension was quite scary, over 140 it would float, in the passenger side you could feel it and it was a relatively new car, 15000Km or so.

What I don't like about the Buick V6 is that is has no torque, I think its ~300Nm. Sure the power is good but the pulling nature of it, pah. The I6 from the falcon is good, with the new ones up to 380Nm and even the old XF I had had about 290Nm at about 2200, great tailout fun. The V6 to me just seems to lack grunt and its very hoary when you give it some, the old Holden Iron Block V8 however, nice design and real grunty. Esp the VN Group A, 220Kw from a 5.0L is bloody good work the only LS1 I've been in (VTII Calais) had alot of go, but only over about 2500.

[Bluprint]

You can't discredit the whole V6 range after driving the most slaped together model ever made by holden. The ECOTECH heads gives the VS an extra 22kW (125 kW stock to 147 kW stock)

Not exactly right
there's other differences between the 'old' V6 and the ECOTEC V6
The VN version of the old V6 made 125kw, but that was refined up to 130kw with the VR
When ECOTEC came in it went to 147kw and with VX it went to 152kw
The differences between the 2 besides heads is the ECU, the ignition (computer controlled sequential replaced mechanical)
I'm pretty sure there's different injectors

etc etc......

[JIMB0]

Well the head is where the most power increases can be made.