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Title: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: POVR31 on Jun 26, 2004, 10:46PM
Yeah me have $$$$$$ Just wondering about a few things hope ya's can help. I am buying hyperfang mags but am undecided on size. Either 16 or 17's. Just wondering if the 17's will scrape and make it too low with a set of 1.5 inch lowered king springs? Would this be worth it for the increase in road prescence than 16's ?

Also i am undecided over suspension. Are munroes good or what some people say they are good some people say they are shit. I wouldnt know coz the best handling car i have owned is a sigma with 16 year shockers. I was thinking KYB's up front and munroes at rear? How much better are KYB over munroes is it worth it for the price?
                                    cheers
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Jun 26, 2004, 10:52PM
17s are nice if u can afford them. as long as the offset is good then u will be right.

The KYBs are much better for the extra money personally. With 17s in sure u would lower it with 1.5 inches. I have seen it done alot. Any lower and i think ud need a gaurd roll or lip. I have also heard bad things about munroes but personally have neva used them. Defiantly go the king springs but its really up to u on the shocks. Id go KYB for sure.
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: POVR31 on Jun 26, 2004, 11:11PM
The wheels are going on finance anyway so price aint a an issue for 12 months. What do you mean by the offset is this a problem or something? Coz a guy at complete audio said something about etting camber kits as well with the 17's? Whats up with this. So you still ahve descent clearance with 17's and 1.5inch lowered springs coz if so 17's it is. U know how much more KYB's are?

Crap also i assume the 17's will amke my speedo largely inaccurate even with the lower profile rubber is this so?
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Jun 26, 2004, 11:23PM
lol camber kit = spacers. totally illegal but commonly used.

i think u can get a full set of kybs and see change from 500.

17s will make speedo slightly inaccuracte unless u get low profile tyres. think about 14 with fat tyres and 17s with low tyres. might work out to be the same. but mioght put it 5 km/h out.

even with the spacers it should fit. im lowered 1.5 inchs and 16s and i got heaps of room
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: KNG P1N on Jun 27, 2004, 11:08AM
when it comes to wheel offset, u need something to make it sit out furthur to look fatter. ive got 16's tempest.  with a 25offset (i think,off the top of my head). alot of people think mine are 17's, but they aint. 17's shouldnt rub, and will look slightly better, but not heaps better. just dont get a offset out of the 20's ie 35, cuz no matter 16 or 17 inch size they are they wont look good at all. ive got 1.5 lowered kings with kyb all round, and it handles AWSOME. id definatly go kyb over monroe. camber kit are cool but $$$ to fit and $$$ on tyre wear
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: nissanman on Jun 27, 2004, 09:08PM
I found that KYB were actually cheaper for my car.
About 50bucks cheaper!
I am definatly goin, KYB, Whiteline etc...
What other brands are there?
besides Monroe and Pedders LOL,

I have 15" 45 profile tyres on my S12, the stock rims and tyres are 14" 70 profile so i have actually down sized in the tyre profile more than what i have up sized in rim size! LOL :( oh well, time for sum Drift Style Rims! ;D
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Jun 27, 2004, 10:36PM
u have to go 25 offset on the r31 skyline simply because it will rub otherwise. sure u can go 5 or ten either way but the offset is 25. U wouldnt fit 17s with an offset of 35 and lowered on your car though. it would rub on the inside springs. I have 5mmm spacers on my front as the offset on them is 5 off so it makes it so they fit with ease. although they are illegal dammit
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: KNG P1N on Jun 28, 2004, 10:12AM
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What other brands are there?

koni is probably the best

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I have 5mmm spacers on my front as the offset on them is 5 off

thats interesting hey, i didnt think that a 25 offset would rub on the front, ive got 25 offset and mine dont :o
u rekon they may be a offset difference between the pintara and skyline?
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Jun 28, 2004, 12:22PM
possibly. The rears on mine fit fine just the front rub abit with no spacer. the mags could have an offset of 30 or sumthing then
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: KNG P1N on Jun 28, 2004, 03:21PM
hmm have a looksie at the wheels offset, il be shocked if they are different
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Jun 28, 2004, 04:17PM
my mags are 30 offset with 5mm spacer i think. that could explain alot. the rears dont need a spacer they fit fine
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: KNG P1N on Jun 28, 2004, 05:29PM
yep that would be it, i thought they were the same. spacers are fine though, as long as there is enuf thread on the studs left. u should put em on the rear to make em sit out more. it might look better
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Jun 28, 2004, 07:19PM
dude with 225s on the rear any wider and they would hit the gaurds. the rears look tough with 225s
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: nissanman on Jun 29, 2004, 12:05AM
dude with 225s on the rear any wider and they would hit the gaurds. the rears look tough with 225s

I LOVE r31 with Fats at the back, especially GTS-R'z etc...

But yea, KONI's are very expensive yes??
Can u get Coilovers from them for the R31 Pinny and Skyline?
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Jun 29, 2004, 12:18AM
KONIs ur looking at about 900 for a set. coilovers are iollegal and i doubt they woudl have them for a 31. mybe for a u12
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: KNG P1N on Jun 29, 2004, 09:25AM
i recon stay with kyb unless ur a really full on driver and have money.lol

browney, i didnt know u had 225's. but having a look at my rear 205's, i see what u mean about hitting guards
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Jun 29, 2004, 03:41PM
i have 225/ 55 r16s on the rear. look chunky as.

from behind u have to just stand and go... mmmmmmm tough
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: POVR31 on Jul 1, 2004, 09:39PM
I forked out the dosh. 1000 for pedders springs and shocks fitted, 2000 for the 17inch rims with rubber 225/45.

No i will sbe able to stand behind my car and say mmmmm tough.

I am a bit concerned about the lowereing height though. The guy said the springs at the back are almost the lowest legal limit is this going to be too low? It's just that 3K is a far wad of cash and not being able to see what u are paying for is a bit.....well not good.
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Jul 1, 2004, 10:22PM
1000 bucks for pedders springs and shockers?? im guessing u payed someone to fit them all.
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: POVR31 on Jul 1, 2004, 10:46PM
Yeah i got them fitted it was a bit dear, but i couldnt be stuffed stuffing around and they seemed like they knew what they are on about. Dont give me that shit that pedders are rebadged munroes either coz i aint listening. I is hoping they are all well and good. I wish i found out how low the back is being lowered. I am a silly silly boy.
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Jul 1, 2004, 10:50PM
btw the lowest legal limit isnt that low really. im near it now and im not that lowered.
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: bungs on Jul 1, 2004, 11:40PM
where'd you get the wheels from?

And did they do the 12months interest free thingy?
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: POVR31 on Jul 2, 2004, 12:45PM
I got em from bridgestone at modbury. Paid cash for suspension and got wheels on interest free. They gave me good service and stuff and i get free tyre rotations and wheel alignments. But still yes i admit i am stupid and probably paid about 300-400 to much.
Whatya's reckon? Still its good to get it all organised and it should look pretty sweet dumped on its arse with fat rubber ;D. No sliding around corners in the wet by accident any more.
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: KNG P1N on Jul 2, 2004, 01:27PM
i wanna see pics ;D
sounds good. although 1000 buck for pedders gear isnt wat id call a bargain, but who knows maybe the prices vary depending on which state ur in ??. 2g for 17's sound good, especially if u got a decent brand of rubber, so many ppl brag how that got theres for such and such price but they have the scumest brand inport rubber that has as much grip as a wodden wagon wheel. did they put bumper stops on?
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: POVR31 on Jul 2, 2004, 07:46PM
i will get picks when they are on should be a week and a half or so. Yeah i wouldnt classify it ass a bargain i probably should have gone somewhere else but meh. I got savva intensa's chadza's got em on his car and they grip like all hell. Whats a bumper stop? I got free locknuts ???
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Jtas on Jul 2, 2004, 08:30PM
i wanna see pics ;D
sounds good. although 1000 buck for pedders gear isnt wat id call a bargain, but who knows maybe the prices vary depending on which state ur in ??. 2g for 17's sound good, especially if u got a decent brand of rubber, so many ppl brag how that got theres for such and such price but they have the scumest brand inport rubber that has as much grip as a wodden wagon wheel.

i wanna see pics too :)  im getting 17s with good tyres for $1400. 

as far as the suspension the cost shouldnt vary that much between states ???
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Jul 2, 2004, 08:53PM
Whatya's reckon? Still its good to get it all organised and it should look pretty sweet dumped on its arse with fat rubber ;D. No sliding around corners in the wet by accident any more.

Just dont think ur car handles like a go kart please. trust me u can get any r31 sideways accidently in the wet on any width tyre and and suspension setup.
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: nissanman on Jul 2, 2004, 09:04PM
I rang TRANSPORT SA, and they told me what the lowest i could lower my car was,
its measured from the centre of your wheel to the start of the gaurd,
mine was 350mm MAX at da front and 345mm MAX at da rear.
C my suspension has sagged hell!!! I Mean heaps!
so i measured what drop i should do, and
"standard" my front is 390mm and rear is 360mm!
The rear has sagged more u can tell that by lookin at it but now i  can c by how much in mm's.
But yea, because its sagged i cant really tell how much i should lower it!!!!!!!!
i will prolly stick with 1.5inches all the way round, or does that seem not enough to u guyz? lol ???
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Jul 3, 2004, 07:09PM
that seems fine dude. probably with the saggin it would be around .8 inches lower then when it first came out anyway
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: nissanman on Jul 6, 2004, 03:57PM
that seems fine dude. probably with the saggin it would be around .8 inches lower then when it first came out anyway

I might go 2inchs all round just to make sure, ;)
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: SLY-031 on Jul 7, 2004, 01:58PM
the lowest you can go is:

get a coke can and slide it under the lowest parts of you car, if it fits under then you are legal. 100mm is the rule.

pedders springs and shocks for $1000? err, im getting KONI shocks and KING SPRINGS for $1000.....

im sorry...

Joel.
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: nissanman on Jul 7, 2004, 03:52PM
the lowest you can go is:

get a coke can and slide it under the lowest parts of you car, if it fits under then you are legal. 100mm is the rule.

Joel.

Cheers man,

Im payin, $295.30 for all four Pedders Shocks, thats TRADE price...
Im gettin KING springs for the front i think they are 1.75inch lower,
and either Aurora Springs for the rear at $132, but they are quite soft, or K-MAC springs for $230!!!!!! CUstom made to any poundage,
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Jul 7, 2004, 07:04PM
the lowest you can go is:

get a coke can and slide it under the lowest parts of you car, if it fits under then you are legal. 100mm is the rule.

pedders springs and shocks for $1000? err, im getting KONI shocks and KING SPRINGS for $1000.....

im sorry...

Joel.

The differance is in the price of labour. Ur pirce doesnt inculde labour to fit them. hes getting them fitted so has to pay for labour  ;D
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: POVR31 on Jul 9, 2004, 08:15PM
Damn u people with contacts. Oh well the shits on now ;D and godamn i am happy with it. Oh yeah. It looks phat and the effect it has on the handling is bloody awesome. The shocks are about as harsh as the old buggered ones except for the fact that these ones hold the wheels on the road. Also i have no wheel vibration at all now and did i mention that it corners wickedly it feels so much more stable. As u may be able to tell I is happy
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: nissanman on Jul 10, 2004, 04:14PM
d*mn u people with contacts. Oh well the sh*ts on now ;D and god*mn i am happy with it. Oh yeah. It looks phat and the effect it has on the handling is bloody awesome. The shocks are about as harsh as the old buggered ones except for the fact that these ones hold the wheels on the road. Also i have no wheel vibration at all now and did i mention that it corners wickedly it feels so much more stable. As u may be able to tell I is happy

What u mean by 'as harsh as the old ones'???
What so Pedders shockers are not that good an UPGRADE? Of course they are better than old ones but ya know what im sayin?

Its just that im gettn them for my S12 and im not toooooo sure if i should get em or not...
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Jul 10, 2004, 08:19PM
if u have a family car and arnt looking for amazing handling then pedders are fine. if your looking at sports then i wouldnt go them persoanlly. id stick to the brand like KYB, Koni or better yet Beilstein
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: POVR31 on Jul 12, 2004, 10:46PM
By harsh i mean they are hard over bumps and stuff but ya gonna get that with harder suspension. As far as i am concerned my shit is pretty darn good but i havent driven anything with similiar setups i am making my comparisons with sigma's and VR commies so of course its gonna be better for to me.Its hard to findout how different the brands are coz most people generally havent tried numerous sorts on the same car. I have tonnes of grip now though, plant it in wet, in first and no wheelspin.......or i have a poor engine/gearbox/clutch/diff. Pedders are good enough for me though.
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Jul 12, 2004, 11:02PM
hmmm if u plant it in the wet and get no wheelspin im worried. Just cause u got harder suspension doesnt mean u should stop wheelspin in a straight line. Around corners it should handle better. Unless its due to the fact u have more pressuire pushing the tyre to the ground. still i would expect wheelspin in first in the wet.
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: nissanman on Jul 12, 2004, 11:05PM
By harsh i mean they are hard over bumps and stuff but ya gonna get that with harder suspension. As far as i am concerned my sh*t is pretty darn good but i havent driven anything with similiar setups i am making my comparisons with sigma's and VR commies so of course its gonna be better for to me.Its hard to findout how different the brands are coz most people generally havent tried numerous sorts on the same car. I have tonnes of grip now though, plant it in wet, in first and no wheelspin.......or i have a poor engine/gearbox/clutch/diff. Pedders are good enough for me though.

My car gets 2nd gear wheel spinnage in the wet!!! I like it! LOL
"Harsh"-- Okay gotya, i want it quite hard but not hell hard to make it drift when i dont want it to!...
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Jul 12, 2004, 11:26PM
lol i know what u mean. sometiems its bad though. driving along normally and in 2nd u get wheelspin. sucks
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: KNG P1N on Jul 13, 2004, 09:59AM
suspension will help wheelspin, but only slightly. im surprised u cant get wheelspin of the line. im hoping it was merly an exageration to say that it grips well. u have a ca18de if im not mistaken? but in all honesty, even though i dislike pedders, they'll do the job. it will still be an improvement. put some whitine swaybars on the bitch and sheel handle even better
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: POVR31 on Jul 13, 2004, 04:28PM
Swaybars still make a noticeable difference do they? Thats gotta be good do they stiffen ip up more going round corners or what? Will get them after i pay off debt and buy new gearbox e.g not for a while. I will try and get wheelspin again just to make sure ;D
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: KNG P1N on Jul 13, 2004, 05:39PM
yea some thick whitelines will make a difference. go forth.lol
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: nissanman on Jul 14, 2004, 08:50PM
suspension will help wheelspin, but only slightly. im surprised u cant get wheelspin of the line. im hoping it was merly an exageration to say that it grips well. u have a ca18de if im not mistaken? but in all honesty, even though i dislike pedders, they'll do the job. it will still be an improvement. put some whitine swaybars on the b*tch and sheel handle even better

Are talkin bout me man,?? ???
If so,
I can my car to move sidewayz of the line, (IN THE DRY) if u dump it at 2000rpm!
Down the bottom of my street, turn right, dump at 2ISH and i didnt go flat and it fed some wheel spinniage out for about ohh, 4 seconds i rekon, in the dry again,,,
NOT BRAGGIN OR ANYTHIN, Cause BROWNY would cain me!!! lol

Hopefully she will HOLD DRIFT for longer when i have the suspension done,,,
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: bungs on Jul 14, 2004, 08:58PM
Hopefully she will HOLD DRIFT for longer when i have the suspension done,,,

on the track of course... :P

btw has your mate had any offers on his trx?
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Chadza on Jul 14, 2004, 11:19PM
Here is a pic of POV's car taken by me.

How nice does it look peoples!!!

(http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~trimper/R31.jpg)

Chad

Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Jul 15, 2004, 12:57AM
nice work POVR31

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NOT BRAGGIN OR ANYTHIN, Cause BROWNY would cain me!!! lol

why is it that even eva people talk about drifting or burnouts they always compare themselves to me? im not that bad. in fact io havnt dont either in a long time (Note: I havnt driven my car in a long time  ;D)
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: bungs on Jul 15, 2004, 01:04AM
hey maybe you should change your name povr31 to notsopovr31 :)

Looking good mate :)
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: KNG P1N on Jul 15, 2004, 08:55PM
looks sweet. lowered perfectly.

might i remind u people that we DONT promote illegal activities
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: SLY-031 on Jul 16, 2004, 12:17AM
i would still knock an inch off it all round ;) thats just me.

ill let you all know how my konis and kings turnout...
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: POVR31 on Jul 16, 2004, 05:00PM
Cheers people i am fair happy with it. If i wasnt so unco i would put up a similiar picture before the rims and suspension got put on. Where it looks a lot shittier. It doesnt scrape muchl either even with people in the back. The front wheel has only scraped once under heavy load through a corner over bump.

Now i really need about 3K to pay of the rest of the suspension debt and fix up the ol' grinding gearbox. It kills me when i see a mint silo manual for 3800 with stuff done to it when i think about how much i ahve forked out.  Meh thats life.

SLY-031 hope your as happy with your stuff as i am with mine. It will be interesting to hear how it goes.

Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Jul 17, 2004, 12:05AM
a gearbox rebuild is around 700 bucks. Dude u dont even want to know what i have spent on my car. Ud be scared. Ive had head fuck after head fuck. Put it this way if i saved all my money that i have spent on my car i would have a nice r32. But hey its all part of the learning process.


i think  i9 might need to invest in some new suspension too in the rebuild.
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: KNG P1N on Jul 17, 2004, 10:37AM
we are all in the same boat povr. its rediculas to think wat ive spenton mine. but yes. it is life. so its all good. it looks the goods now

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Ive had head f*ck after head f*ck

interesting.................. .......... ???
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Jul 17, 2004, 01:47PM
bahhhahaha mattius i didnt mean it like that but now when i read it again i can see how it can be misunderstood
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: KNG P1N on Jul 17, 2004, 02:56PM
it dosent help when i have a sick mind either 8)
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: SLY-031 on Jul 17, 2004, 03:34PM
lolololol. ;)

if people are after car goodies, please check out www.phillcomrally.com

thats where i got my stuff and he has sponsored my car ;) got a nice sticker on my back window now. ill take some fotos in the next two weeks.

happy driving all,

Joel.
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: nissanman on Jul 17, 2004, 08:15PM
might i remind u people that we DONT promote illegal activities

Off Course the club doesnt,
I was talkin about that my car should hold better drifts when i take it in the next Malalla Drift Day... Yes :P yep yep yep yep yep yep yep aha aha-yep yep yep yep yep yep yep aha aha,  :-\
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Jul 18, 2004, 01:14AM
err SLY... what do u ,mean by sponsored???

i thought sponsored means gave u money or parts......... how come u got parts or money for nothing.... i want parts or money for nothing too
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: bungs on Jul 18, 2004, 02:38AM
free stickers, duh

:)
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: KNG P1N on Jul 18, 2004, 08:50AM
free stickers, duh

:)

cool then i have about ten sponsers then.horah ;D
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Jul 18, 2004, 02:04PM
im sponsored by exhaust technology then. and will be sponsored by Blackwood dyno tune. they gave me a sticker i just havnt yet pput it on my car.
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: nissanman on Jul 18, 2004, 07:12PM
Righto,
Sponsering to me means that u get givin products that are made by who sponders u, Like Skateboarding, If BOOM sponser u, then they give u free decks and clothes etcetc.,... ???
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Jul 19, 2004, 02:53PM
sponsoring to me means free car parts (we are talking car sponsoring) or $$$$ towards car parts. Bigger turbo, better suspension etc.
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: SLY-031 on Jul 20, 2004, 01:28PM
coz he was giving me such heavy discounts he said that he wanted a sticker on my car to make it sponsored or something. basically, if i get him business, he gets me cheap stuff ;)
im pretty sure thats what he means anyway.
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Jul 20, 2004, 02:41PM
sweet i got a few sponsors then lol.

I get discounts at a few places like kents engineering and exhaust technology. Not to mention Turbo Tune and the guys at Blackwood Dyno give everyone discounts cause they are soo nice lol.
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: SLY-031 on Jul 23, 2004, 01:28AM
gotta send the rears back. one of them, where the shock bolts on, is only welded on one side :(
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: KNG P1N on Jul 23, 2004, 08:41AM
pedders.......again

sorry but u arnt technically sponsored. sponsorship is where u sign a contract, and u must attend/perform on belhalf of that company. he gives u discounts yes, but i bet he still makes a neat profit off u. still if all u have to to is have a sticker and get a discount, hey i wouldnt be complaining.lol
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: SLY-031 on Jul 23, 2004, 04:37PM
yeah i agree with you mattius, its just what he said. he knocked over 500 off shocks springs and a strut brace so i aint complaining, except for my single side welded rear shock, grrrr.....
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: nissanman on Jul 23, 2004, 10:14PM
yeah i agree with you mattius, its just what he said. he knocked over 500 off shocks springs and a strut brace so i aint complaining, except for my single side welded rear shock, grrrr.....

Pedders are soundn worse and worse... :(
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: SLY-031 on Jul 24, 2004, 03:57PM
hell. pedders are so good that they dont even use them on the pedders rally car.

that says enough for me...
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Jul 24, 2004, 07:30PM
the pedders rally car has konis lol. just they remove the koni sticker off. i think its funny
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Chadza on Jul 25, 2004, 10:51AM
There you are POV...happy you got Pedders now?!!  :P

Chad
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: SLY-031 on Jul 25, 2004, 05:50PM
poor boys gonna cry himself to sleep now.

soryy to burst the bubble POV.
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: POVR31 on Jul 25, 2004, 10:55PM
My car is a pov-mobile after all ,so having high quality products on my car goes against a well earned pov reputation................... .....oh shit who am i kidding. I think i will go and cry in the corner now.
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Jul 25, 2004, 10:56PM
lol ahh well we cant all win. put it this way. do u prefer it now then u did. if yes then dont complain
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: KNG P1N on Jul 26, 2004, 08:35AM
i rekon 99% of us, if we got given our cars stock again, would do heaps of things differently..............well i know i would
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Jul 26, 2004, 01:28PM
yeah i have to agre with that totally. i look back and go.... no why the fuck did i do that. what a waste of money. i should have done this.
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: SLY-031 on Jul 26, 2004, 06:02PM
hehehehe. just pulled the rear shocks and springs outta my car and WHOA LOOK OUT! they pedders comfort gas!!! i laughed to myself quite loudly.
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: nissanman on Jul 26, 2004, 11:10PM
hehehehe. just pulled the rear shocks and springs outta my car and WHOA LOOK OUT! they pedders comfort gas!!! i laughed to myself quite loudly.

hahaha, sucked in, JOKING.
I just bought Pedders Comfort Gas( :-[ ) shocks for me S12, BUT... theres more!
I am gettin Custom springs made!
My rears are gonna be 240lb worth!!! Thats tough! so im not too fussed about how hard the shocks are as long as they are better than my stockies which i am 110% confident they will b, ;)
I wasnt gonna pay over $500 for KYB gear for a car that couldnt be sold for more than like 3grand!
Im just gonna have to RIP OFF the Pedders stickers! >:( >:(
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: SLY-031 on Jul 27, 2004, 12:43PM
lol. if someone wants my pedders for the rear then make me an offer. if i can get rid of em for anything itll help me get the SLY back up and running.
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: KNG P1N on Jul 27, 2004, 04:58PM
u can pay me to take them off ya hands.lol j/k
sum1 will want em on r31skylineclub
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Jul 27, 2004, 05:25PM
sum1 will want em on r31skylineclub

ohh i dunno.... they are pedders after all. I had Konis and Super Low Kings (that had been industrially compressed) with camber kit gaurds lipped n rolled etc on a gemi for gods sake. Dont worry abotu resale value of the car. U will be amazed at how much fun u can have when u have kickarse suspension.
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: KNG P1N on Jul 27, 2004, 05:27PM
sum1 will, he might get a can of coke for em, but hell offload em
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: SLY-031 on Jul 28, 2004, 01:49PM
yeah hehehe. ill post it up later ;)
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: POVR31 on Jul 28, 2004, 03:21PM
Can i sue pedders for false advertising? Coz they say that their products are tested on the track? Coz thats kinda bullshit, if they dont even use their own products on the their rally car.

If only stuff was as good as in the ads.(This applies to Pedders suspension, betty crocker biscuits and that entice icecream stuff) sigh
 
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: KNG P1N on Jul 28, 2004, 03:34PM
u could sue, and quite honestly u may win. but it would take years to get to the court and cost u tens of thousands of dollars to do. aint worth it
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Jul 28, 2004, 07:07PM
Can i sue pedders for false advertising? Coz they say that their products are tested on the track? Coz thats kinda bullsh*t, if they dont even use their own products on the their rally car.

If only stuff was as good as in the ads.(This applies to Pedders suspension, betty crocker biscuits and that entice icecream stuff) sigh
 

they probably are tested on the track........ at alot slower pace and a much smoother track then rally cars use.
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: KNG P1N on Jul 29, 2004, 01:13PM
kranzy post ya suspension issues in the relivent section dude. not r31 section.sorry to be a nazi

browny, for some cars it makes a massive differnce on prce between monroe and kyb. r31s however its stuff all and its smarter to go kyb.750ish for springs and shocks unfitted on a n13 is ok.not great, but pretty good
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Jul 29, 2004, 01:19PM
yeah im gonna go down to my suspension place tomorrow anyway so ill ask for ya pulsar there.
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: SLY-031 on Jul 30, 2004, 11:22PM
oi browny, if ya keen on KYB or KONI etc. then speak to Anthony at Phillcom Rally. www.phillcomrally.com

tell him your a friend of mine.
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Jul 31, 2004, 02:46PM
meh i can get them cheap cheap anyway through one of my friends  ;D at kent engineering. Plus i will be doing the brakes while im at it and the clutch and i will get great discount on all those things.
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: nissanman on Aug 6, 2004, 11:09AM
Got my Kings Springs in...
They are hell firm! Very nice...

Now the Pedders shocks are okay, better than stock thats for sure but i was sorta hopein for more...
Ihavnt got my Custom rears in yet becasue they are still being made,
Cant wait for them to go in,
Cause the front if stiff and the rear is hell spongy when i go round corners hell fast i still get a bit of like body roll drift, which is Crap.

But u guess thats because of my completly bald rears too!  :o Not good... gettn new ones next week,

I would have liked the shcoks to be a bit firmer and more direct feeling but she still his hellll direct and sits tight to the road when needed,,,
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: SLY-031 on Aug 6, 2004, 10:56PM
finally finished putting in the konis and kings. havent drivin it much tho, no rego and bad alignment. but its nice and firm, may eventually set it harder for hillz in summer. tis excellent for now though.

Joel.
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Aug 7, 2004, 06:52PM
so when u get it all alligned ur gonna let me test them out right  ;D ill see if they are stiff or not and observe the amount of bodyroll it gets
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: SLY-031 on Aug 7, 2004, 10:03PM
hahahaha. whetever you reckon. i head up to clarendon and test em out ;) back is a bit too high still, front is nice height. im hoping the rears will wear in a bit and compress about a half inch. dont like my odds though. may have to get em compressed.

Joel.
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Aug 8, 2004, 09:29PM
get some subs in the boot. that seems to make the car sit alittle lower
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: nissanman on Aug 11, 2004, 10:02PM
Took about a day of driving for my springs to 'settle in'.
After that it was maybe 20-30mm lower.
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Aug 12, 2004, 12:58PM
yes the new springs still didnt help u out. tsk tsk tsk
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: KNG P1N on Aug 12, 2004, 02:23PM
give them a few months to sag abit, i wasnt happy originally with the rear ride height, but theve sagged a bit and now it suits me fine. park next to a stock height one, then ull notice the difference :o
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: nissanman on Aug 13, 2004, 11:23AM
yes the new springs still didnt help u out. tsk tsk tsk

I ONLY HAD MY FRONT SPRINGS IN!!!!!! LOL,
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: nissanman on Aug 13, 2004, 11:30AM
give them a few months to sag abit, i wasnt happy originally with the rear ride height, but theve sagged a bit and now it suits me fine. park next to a stock height one, then ull notice the difference :o

I didnt think that it lowered it much but then i compared it to a stocker, damn there is a differance!
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: PINR-31 on Nov 4, 2004, 11:34AM
weeeeeeeeak, deleting my post was the easy way out

Honestly i could contradict several points made

camber kit are cool but $$$ to fit and $$$ on tyre wear

Camber kits - s13 units fit (HKS, Cusco, JIC etc), seen them for around $125-$180 average price, small spacer required to seat the spring properly. Kmac are the expensive ones, desgined for R31, but actually have less adjustment than the s13 import ones ~$400.
Tire wear running 1-2 degs negative camber, neglidgable (without negative camber you'll end up wearing out the outter sidewall just as fast)....you think you camber now is set perfectly? i doubt it, camber kits improve on this. Suspension shops like that sort of adjustment as they know they are sending you out wheels pointing straight.
Coilovers for R31's can be found, takes a bit of hunting....JIC make them for R31 imports which do fit the aus spec ones and also allow you to upgrade the brakes on the front (100mm spacings on for the calipers).
With modification to your current struts they can be made into coilovers. A threads piece is welded to the strut tower and adjusting nuts with very heavy rate springs can be added....Talking 1000-1500 for a set, why would you actually pay $1000 for pedders?
Most import places would stock a bit of suspension gear built for s13's....rear s13 coilovers would be a reasonably easy to find and easy to do modification....you could either use the R31 shock strut tops or re-drill the stud pattern where they bolt into the wheel archs (under the parcel shelf)

KYB's are cheap, performance ratings but i'd have to say if you drive it hard, not as durable as you think
Koni, very good yes, but not the best
Ever heard of Bilstiens?
Monroes shocks, dont go there
Pedders shocks, sheesh

Pedders springs, low, stiff but much better available
King springs, not very low, good rates, most popular choice
Other brands include Whiteline, Lovell which are a bit more $$ but people who have them rave about the performance.

yea some thick whitelines will make a difference. go forth.lol

Whiteline do 27mm sway bars compared to the 25mm or 22mm for skyline or pintara respectively (front)
Saying that this means a standard 25mm skyline sway bar will have less flex than a pintara unit. Much cheaper than forking out $160 for the 27mm whiteline one.

Rears are the same diameter stock compared to whiteline but the tensile strength of the of the metal is much stronger and stiffer.
Sway bars dont actually make the car stiffer over bumps but they stop the body roll by flexing the bar as one side lifts up. Second upgrade i'd do after changing te springs as it makes the ride in the cabin more comfortable around corners

Now for you people saying 'Wow my car sits low', you can have it any frikin height you want (within adjustment) with coilovers  ;D
Low isn't always better........and as i said in my previously deleted post, 7 pages of garbage
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: KNG P1N on Nov 5, 2004, 07:49AM
Coilovers are illegal on r31's.

from furthur research im willing to agree with u about camber kits.

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With modification to your current struts they can be made into coilovers. A threads piece is welded to the strut tower and adjusting nuts with very heavy rate springs can be added....Talking 1000-1500 for a set, why would you actually pay $1000 for pedders?

same reason that that lots of fools waste money on pedders.  :P they know very little if nething about suspension. having said that your sugessting that they modify there struts? maybe thats a money making venture u could persue, modified r31 struts  :P
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Nov 5, 2004, 01:03PM
coilovers are illega lon any cars. Still doesnt mean u cant get them. Im sure if u were owrried about the legality of your car ud leave it stock.

I have seen Shans car through the hills (well for the bit i could keep up anyway) and it handles like a go kart. Crazy fool he is. I wouldnt go anything lower the KYBS on ny car. Pedders and Munroes are crap as. Pedders are so crap they dont even use them on their own rally car lol
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: KNG P1N on Nov 5, 2004, 01:12PM
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I wouldnt go anything lower the KYBS on ny car. Pedders and Munroes are crap as. Pedders are so crap they dont even use them on their own rally car lol

well said
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: PINR-31 on Nov 5, 2004, 03:00PM
I didn't mean for them to modify their struts, Reputable or performance suspension shops can do this. They send the strut away to a machine shop and get the threads welded on, then replace the shock inserts and springs with quality units (by far bette than pedders). Depends on location and businesses around but prices may vary.

I know i'm right about the camber tops, got tires with two types of tire wear on them to prove

Coilovers are only illegal because of the fact that the spring is not always seated. ie if you jack the car up the spring does not stay in position, only when the car's off it you say....well over an extreme bump where the car wants to get airborn willl the springs move out of position (they go straight back in anyway). To make them un-illegal chains or straps can be added to stop the strut moving past the release point of the springs...thats one way, or you can add low rate tender springs to act as a solid spacer when weight is applied on them but expand to fill the gap so the springs dont move about.

Why do you always worry about legalities, sheesh, anything we do to our cars nowadays is classed as illegal, sif that stops anyone.
As long as your insurance company knows about your mods and agrees to them your fine.......a debate for another topic

Browny, you haven't seen mine with the coilovers....i class it as slow before.....ask Big JON though, his supra was no match  ;D

Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Browny_r31 on Nov 5, 2004, 05:05PM
ahh that is true PINR-31 i havnt seen u with coilovers yet..... it was fast b4.... ohh god. Meh i keep up with jon (as long as its not straight) and i know u whoop my butt through the hills.
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Loop on Nov 6, 2004, 09:49AM
I wouldnt go anything lower the KYBS on ny car.

You talking ride height or quality here?
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: KNG P1N on Nov 6, 2004, 10:06AM
my guess is quality.
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Loop on Nov 6, 2004, 10:24AM
That's what I thought, because your shocks don't do jack for ride height :)
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: SLY-031 on Jan 11, 2005, 03:23AM
monroe pedders are shit. good for selling your car. not much more. as browny sadi before everyone cried and he got kicked, dont go fo anything less than kyb.
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: bungs on Jan 11, 2005, 03:50AM
as browny sadi before everyone cried and he got kicked

hahaha. He left at his own free will, nobody kicked him outta here
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: SLY-031 on Jan 11, 2005, 04:19AM
actually before he left they kicked him.
I think it was because he own3d them hardcore and they had no decent comebacks. if u can beat em... block em. Plus i think the whole thing with him n tyne would have added to his blocking.

If he left at his own free will then why was his user blocked (and still is)? lol i think tis funny.
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: Chadza on Jan 11, 2005, 07:36AM
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dont go fo anything less than kyb.

Oh fully sick kyb eh.....in terms of 'brand names' they are just as cheapo as munroe and pedders. I am not saying pedders or munroe are shit...just that kyb isn't all that much better. Do you like kyb because they come with extra stickers in the box and munroes don't? If you want PROPER shocks then go for a 'brand' like Koni, but with that comes the price which people aren't always willing to spend *just* on shocks, like me.

Chad
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: KNG P1N on Jan 11, 2005, 07:38AM
this is a thread on wheels and suspension....it seems as if
a. the browny issue is being dug up again (for christ sake let it rest)
b. it is becoming repetitive in that the general consensus is not to use monroe or pedders, but rather kyb or better.

therfore this thread is now.......................... .........yep u guessed it........BLOCKED

i thank those who contributed constructivley
Title: Re: opinions on wheels and suspension
Post by: noss on Jan 11, 2005, 08:55AM
browny left first. we just assisted him in his promise to never return.