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U12 Bluebird, Pintara & Stanza => performance and handling => Topic started by: noss on Sep 11, 2002, 02:03AM
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does anybody here know what parts are interchangeable between different nissan models?
for example, i know that the brakes on a trx are the same as on either the r31 or r32 skylines.
anyone else know of any others? i.e. suspension parts etc?
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DBA Silvia/180sx rotors are identical to the pintara ones, but they are 280mm big vs. our 258mm (11" vs. 10.1")....you already know what i'm thinking right? Nice, big brakes ;D
Started pricing slotted ones already. Just hafta make up the spacers for mounting the calipers correctly. Need the new rims on first for clearance issues.
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92-95 N14 Pulsar has the same struts/springs all 'round...
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CA18 strut brace first puuuuurrrfectly on the CA20. Gearbox bolts on just bout straight in.
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ca18? Which car though?
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i didnt wanna tell anyone this until i whipped their arses on the gear changes while racing.
sr20de gear shifters are interchangeable with both ka24e & ca20e
therefore, any quick/short shifter made for an sr20 will fit any u12 pintara.
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N13 pulsar Shaunk. Thanx for tellin me now 91nismo!! :P
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i didnt wanna tell anyone this until i whipped their arses on the gear changes while racing.
sr20de gear shifters are interchangeable with both ka24e & ca20e
therefore, any quick/short shifter made for an sr20 will fit any u12 pintara.
TEEHEE!!!! guess who's goin out to buy an SR shortshifter now....gotta find someone who sells them first.
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92-95 N14 Pulsar has the same struts/springs all 'round...
I hope your not kidding....i know coil overs are made for these cars....
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WHats an sr short shifter worth nowadays?
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Nispares are getting back to me about getting a hold of half a dozen or so short shifters. I'll let you know.
I reckon 91nismotrx will tell you that a short shifter is worth about $160 from Autobarn Dandenong ??? or so he tells me.
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I reckon 91nismotrx will tell you that a short shifter is worth about $160 from Autobarn Dandenong  ??? or so he tells me. Â
its autobarn @ doncaster & its $130. ;D
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$130? that seems heaps cheap
difficult to put in?
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91nismotrx: How did you find out the SR short shifters would work with our cars?
Who makes it?
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i have my contacts ;)
i dunno who makes them though, i havent been to donncaster autobarn in quite a while. i'll drop by on my way home from work maybe? or maybe aj could?
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or maybe aj could?
Yeah, no worries, I've gotta get some oil and a filter anyway...
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Some1 explain to me what a SR shortshifter is and what it does?
It's only for manuals yeah?
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Oh yeah, I checked those short-shifters out at Doncaster Autobarn. $130 and supplied by Rocket Industries (the mob that imports K&N into Australia), but Rocket probably gets 'em off someone else. They are chrome silver... not black like the stocko shifter.
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Some1 explain to me what a SR shortshifter is and what it does?
It's only for manuals yeah?
yeah, basically a short/quick shifter shortens the throw of the gear shift. so therefore, you are able to change gears quicker than with a stock shifter. giving you an advantage over someone you may be racing, or, on the other hand, it makes the shift somewhat easier for you dont have to move your arm as much.
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Some1 explain to me what a SR shortshifter is and what it does?
It's only for manuals yeah?
Yeah, a short-shifter reduces the length of the gear change movement in manuals, allowing faster gear changes. 'SR' just means that 91nismotrx is referring to Nissans that have the SR20 engine/gearbox combination in them.
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Rocket import B&M Shifters. Is it one of these possibly?
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I'll answer my own question, IT IS. Part number is 45088 according to the B & M website, silver shifter suitable for a sr20. I like it, but I can't find anyone who has them for sale (apart from Doncaster Autobarn)
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I think Repco are usually more than happy to deal with Rocket, so you might be able to get 'em through them.
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Someone said R31 skylines have a lot which is similar similar to our TRX? Well there is this guy in sydney, selling some r31 parts.......including 80mm RB20 air flow meter, early alloy type with adjustment screw.....wants $150.00 How would that go in your cars?
Too big? Silly idea? No gain in performance?
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It'd work Mitza, but i'm still unsure if any decent gains can be had from it. I don't think the pressure drop across our std MAF is enough to warrant upsizing. As long as it'll plug straight in, you should be right if you've got the cash.
I think ours only become a slight problem when forced induction is brought into play.... ;D
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It'd work Mitza, but i'm still unsure if any decent gains can be had from it. I don't think the pressure drop across our std MAF is enough to warrant upsizing. As long as it'll plug straight in, you should be right if you've got the cash. It's not a silly idea either. Although i wish our cars were MAP sensed. ::)
I think ours only become a slight problem when forced induction is brought into play.... ;D
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Nice quote ;D
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Oops...
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Oh yeah, I checked those short-shifters out at Doncaster Autobarn. $130 and supplied by Rocket Industries (the mob that imports K&N into Australia), but Rocket probably gets 'em off someone else. They are chrome silver... not black like the stocko shifter.
Is that the Redline brand one? If so i got quoted $99, GENUINE B&M short shifters range from $295 to $345 (!!!!!!)
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VPW also stock some SR20 short shifters, varying from $99 to $400.
Apparently injectors from a VG30ET (Z31 300zx) are a decent upgrade from the stock injectors (260cc/min vs around 320-360cc/min). Yet to confirm this however.
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repaired suspension bushings on sway bar today, just so happens our ezgo golf carts share the same ones!! so before spending a motza on suspension bushings, i just nabbed a few from our old wrecked carts!!
muahaha
EZGO Golf carts
made by textron.
-Joczy ;)
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repaired suspension bushings on sway bar today, just so happens our ezgo golf carts share the same ones!! so before spending a motza on suspension bushings, i just nabbed a few from our old wrecked carts!!
muahaha
EZGO Golf carts
made by textron.
-Joczy ;)
golf carts? wtf?
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ahh i work at a golf course, i am not a car mechanic!
so.. that makes me a golf course mechanic, sounds strange hey!
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strange but sweet. sounds like a cool job man, regardless of what you are repairing, still getting knowledge on some mechanical aspects.
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VPW also stock some SR20 short shifters, varying from $99 to $400.
Apparently injectors from a VG30ET (Z31 300zx) are a decent upgrade from the stock injectors (260cc/min vs around 320-360cc/min). Yet to confirm this however.
Bumping an old topic here, but there are short shifters available on ebay at the moment for the Pulsar GTi-R, they have an SR20 engine, do they not?
Price seems good too, currently about $60 or below, so I'm thinking ... why wouldn't these fit?
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yeh it should work.
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It's probably much cheaper though to buy a 2nd hand shifter for the KA from a wrecker, cut the rod below the pivot, and pay a welder $10 to weld in a 1" section to lengthen the pivot point and reinstall.
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they're pretty hard to come by though, i was going to buy a 3rd one and i couldnt find one anywhere
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bugger .... missed out on winning the auction >:(
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I got a ca20e u12 a few days ago (another one) and it had a short shifter in it.
All they had done was cut the bottom off and extend it by around 25-30mm - like sss said
Anyway, i stuck it in my mates sr20 that we converted to manual and it was a straight fit, probly because we used a ca20e shifter setup in the first place to convert it ;)
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so how insactly can you fit these yourself?? is it easy?
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so how insactly can you fit these yourself?? is it easy?
Prolly need to raise the car up, get underneath and undo the clevis bolt holding the linkages to the shifter and drop the shifter out from the bottom.
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you need to do what loop said, but you also have to remove the cat and the cat heat shield to get access to the shifter bolts. there is this rubber mount that holds the shifter that is a major pain in the ass when putting everything back together. i had to use a clamp to hold it in position while i put the bolts back in.
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Hey all...
I reckon the syncros in second gear are gone in my car...its an n13 pulsar...with an 18le motor. (I think its 18le...correct me if im wrong.) anyways ive gotten some quotes and to get it fixed its gonna be around the $350 mark including labour.
What i was thinking was i heard the ca1 gearboxes are interchangable. does anyone know if this is true? are there any other gearboxes that people know of that will bolt on to my motor i have now. I have seen the ca gearboxes advertised for about $385. This to me would be a better option as i think these gearboxes would be better and can take more than what ive got now.
any ideas or suggestions would be great.
Also would the gearbox from a ca16 be interchangeable with a ca18?
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Also im not too sure on what gains i will get if i can find and lsd gearbox? Its for a front wheel drive. Can anyone let me know the advantages and disadvantages of the lsd compared to the standard boxes.
Cheers
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Kranzy, an LSD gearbox would be better if you can find one.
Basically the diff spreads out the tourque from the engine, if one wheel starts to loose traction a LSD will increase the power to wheel with better traction. In short you are quicker off the line because your wheels wont spin up quite as much.
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/differential.htm/printable
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ohh ok that makes more sense now. Any ideas about interchangeable gearboxes for the n13's?
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the n13 sss uses an LSD gearbox, which would be why hellman suggested you get one. it'd bolt right up to your 18LE and you'd have no probs.
i have also heard that ca18 gearboxes bolt up to the 18LE however i've never actually seen anyone with it done. considering that the 18LE is a holden engine i would be inclined to say it wouldnt work, but someone feel free to prove me wrong.
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what about the ca16 gearboxes? would they be the same as the ca18s?
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I've heard of and spoken to people who run CA18DET's with the LSD box from an N13 Pulsar Vector SSS. That box runs with the 18le on the N13, so yeah they are interchangable... exact details and bolts that line up, I'm not sure on that stuff.
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yeh they ca16 boxes bolt up to the ca18 and vice versa.
i wouldnt bother with it, just get the sss lsd box. chances are it'd be stronger anyway, cause nissan boxes are renowned for being the weak point of all their cars.
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It was Fraz wasn't it noss, who said all FWD CA series box will bolt up to all FWD CA series engines?
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What i was thinking is i can get a ca16 box for $385...down the track i would love to drop a ca18det into my pulsar. so my question is if i was to buy a ca16 gearbox now, will it be able to be used with the 18le and then with the ca18det later down the track?
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Yep. Is this an EXA box Kranzy? The CA16DE box from the langley pulsar has an LSD...
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Im not exactly sure what box it is...i found it on rolin imports web page. it just says its a ca16 ffd man. no other info.
Id rekon that would be my better option as its gonna cost me like $350 just to get the syncros in 2nd done.
Cheers
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Also im not too sure on what gains i will get if i can find and lsd gearbox? Its for a front wheel drive. Can anyone let me know the advantages and disadvantages of the lsd compared to the standard boxes.
An LSD help transfer torque away from the wheel that has less traction, preventing wheelspin and getting more power to the ground. In other words, you have the potential to launch out of corners quicker.
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What i was thinking is i can get a ca16 box for $385...down the track i would love to drop a ca18det into my pulsar. so my question is if i was to buy a ca16 gearbox now, will it be able to be used with the 18le and then with the ca18det later down the track?
I dont know if a CA box will bolt up to a 18LE. I looked at one the other day and it looks like it would fit, but i never tried it.
The ca18 and ca20 boxes are all identical. There are 3 different gearsets and 3 different diff ratios.
The ca16 box is physically smaller and weaker. Most people that put ca18det's into exa's blow the ca16 box and put in a ca18/20 box.
The ca16 box is cable and the ca18/20 is hydraulic, BUT some of the U11 ca18/ca20 came with cable clutch, and some of these were the same size as the ca16. the later u11s all have the stronger box.
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Lets get this thread going again. We have alot of new member's that have joined a long time after this thread finished.
I have alot of information that i will post up tomorrow. Flame me if you like, i could not care less. This is a old thread sure but it is a useful thread.
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I have alot of information that i will post up tomorrow.
Hurry up! ;D
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Ok I will start this back up.
KA24E/DE can be swapped onto a Z18-24 block. 1 oil drain in the head has to be welded up.
Confirmed by Eurisko that a CA18DE/DET RWD engine can easily into a FWD format. CA18DE head can installed on a CA20.
CD20DET (diesel version of CA20) crank can be used in the CA20. Diesel parts are under alot more stress then there petrol counterparts, so parts are made alot stronger.
U12 KA24E fuel filter's are also used by VL Walkinshaws and can flow to 150L/min or hour. Guy at Autopro told me this.
KA24E/DE gearsets can be swapped into SR20DE FWD gearbox housing.
The LD20 is based off the L20B. Crankshaft and various parts will interchange.
The LD28 is based off the L28. Crankshaft and various parts will interchange.
The SD22, 23, 25 is a 4 cylinder version of the SD33/T 6 cylinder.
The L20B is a 4 cylinder version of the L28 6 cylinder.
The TD42T is based off the TB42E.
The RB28TI is based off the RB30E.
More to come. I am to tired to finish this.
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Just to clarify, CD20 crank will fit the main caps... but the size of the counterweights will not clear the block. Minor modifications are needed to clear.
CD20 crank is fully counterweighted, 8 bolt config, and forged. Extremely reliable (and a heavy bastard too).
The rod width is also much larger than the stock ca20 rods. Custom rods will be needed.
CD version engine came in CD20E and CD20ET versions.
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i've got a couple of RNU12 ones.
indicator stalks are the same as the corsair and the R31.
interior door lock surround is the same as R31.
S13 clutch fits but GTiR??? throwout bearing is needed.
Pintara clutch lines are the same
Will think of more later.
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interior door lock surround is the same as R31.
Only on the pillar-less cars remember luke :)
Yes, S13 clutch fits using GTiR throw out bearing.
If anyone can tell me what other nissan uses the same rear wiper as my import U12, + karma for you! (the aussie U12 hatch does not)
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Have you checked out Skyline rear wipers Budgie? R33 coupes all had wipers on the rear, not sure about other models.
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Have you checked out Skyline rear wipers Budgie? R33 coupes all had wipers on the rear, not sure about other models.
No mate, but I will! :)
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Just to clarify, CD20 crank will fit the main caps... but the size of the counterweights will not clear the block. Minor modifications are needed to clear.
The CD20 came in AWD U13 Bluebirds as well Ed (auto and manual), just for interests sake.
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Just to clarify, CD20 crank will fit the main caps... but the size of the counterweights will not clear the block. Minor modifications are needed to clear.
CD20 crank is fully counterweighted, 8 bolt config, and forged. Extremely reliable (and a heavy bastard too).
The rod width is also much larger than the stock ca20 rods. Custom rods will be needed.
CD version engine came in CD20E and CD20ET versions.
Yeah, it's the holy grail setup, i've not found a suitable rod donor from any nissan or mitsubishi motor so far.
I think its very likely custom rods is the only way.
I'd like to build one up but now my setup will not be happy with 20mm higher head port height!
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Hey, Is there any more info on the CA18de head on a CA20 or a thread that goes into more detail
Thanks
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eurisko's project thread should be the best bet
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Something just clicked...
I saw a U13 ARX Bluebird at the wreckers the other day... I looked under the bonnet and thought "diesel... weird." but it just clicked that it's probably a CD20 and probably has a full counterbalanced crank.
Did U13 Diesels only come with CD20 engines?
I'm thinking about going down there and offering them $200 to take the engine out and dump it in my trailer.
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U13
this is what i have according to the brochure:
sss limited attesa - sr20det
sss-g/sss-g attesa - sr20de
sss-v - sr18de
sss/sss attesa - sr18de
arx-z - sr20de
arx-g/arx-g attesa - sr20de & cd20 (diesel)
arx-v - sr18de
arx - sr18de & cd20 (diesel)
eex-l/eex-l attesa - cd20 (diesel)
eex - ga16de
So absolutely. CD20. Check the plate on the firewall... should have cd20 written somewhere.
Oh, but if ur looking at using the crank... look at using the rods as well... better yet, get me an engine as well :P
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Times have changed everyone is wanting diesels now. Go the diesels.
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Times have changed everyone is wanting diesels now. Go the diesels.
Only to sacrifice them for their cranks. :)
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'93 U13 B&M short throw will fit U12.....have it installed.
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Quick q -- might be a stupid one too.
Would U13 springs fit on a U12 -- like the front and/or the rears? Parts are kinda hard to get by from where I am for the U12.
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Pretty sure fronts do but rears don't. There is a thread around here with the info
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Pretty sure fronts do but rears don't. There is a thread around here with the info
1) u13 front springs/struts are at least 50% wider diameter than u12 providing extra stiffness. Rear springs are same as u12.
Found it!
So would this mean I can use the fronts but would be a tad stiffer? Rears definitely would be a bolt-on.
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No you can't use the fronts, they're a larger diameter spring and would fall straight past the lower spring seat.
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Just to clarify, CD20 crank will fit the main caps... but the size of the counterweights will not clear the block. Minor modifications are needed to clear.
CD20 crank is fully counterweighted, 8 bolt config, and forged. Extremely reliable (and a heavy bastard too).
The rod width is also much larger than the stock ca20 rods. Custom rods will be needed.
CD version engine came in CD20E and CD20ET versions.
The CD series engine also came as CD17. Found in Primera's, Pulsars etc.
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does any1 no wat throttle body wud easily fit a u12 pintara ca20e?
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does any1 no wat throttle body wud easily fit a u12 pintara ca20e?
what? english, please. :)
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jus goin bak to the talk bout short shifters b4, does cuttin the shifter say halfway down if not a quater, will that giv the same effects as a short shifter cos i did it to mine awhile ago and the shifter is definately shorter lol
did i just answer my question?
also i read on here that the pintaras have the same spleen as the s13 180sx's so u can use their boss kits ;D
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jus goin bak to the talk bout short shifters b4, does cuttin the shifter say halfway down if not a quater, will that giv the same effects as a short shifter cos i did it to mine awhile ago and the shifter is definately shorter lol
did i just answer my question?
also i read on here that the pintaras have the same spleen as the s13 180sx's so u can use their boss kits ;D
that will shorten the lever but not actually change the throw, as mentioned earlier you need to cut and weld in a small section below the pivot point to mke a true short shifter.
and i hope you mean spline lol... ;D ;D, but yeah, i read that too, s13shave the same spline as pintaras
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rofl, I miss Dave.
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Just to clarify, CD20 crank will fit the main caps... but the size of the counterweights will not clear the block. Minor modifications are needed to clear.
Just on this, if the counterweights hit the block, any machinist with a decent size lathe can turn down the counterweights.
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Just on this, if the counterweights hit the block, any machinist with a decent size lathe can turn down the counterweights.
how much should be taken off the counterweights inorder for them to work??
BUMP TOPIC
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Well it depends how much is hitting doesn't it?
I wouldn't go down this CA20/DET route, no offense to Ed and others, but it's alot of work for something that isn't so sure of, sure I can't talk with the whole KA24 thing, but at least a replacement is cheap.
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As chris said, it would be a matter of test fitting that crank into the CA20 block and working it out from there.
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-The rods of the normally aspirated CA20 series of motors are not up to the task, and many tuners use modified Mitsubishi 4G63 con-rods in this application.
-With a larger bore than the CA18, custom, flat topped and forged pistons are a must if boost is to be reliable
-The CA20 did not include the crank girdle support which vastly increased the harmonic resistance of the CA18. But the crank girdle from a CA18DET block will fit the CA20 main caps
-The CA20 also did not include the under piston oil squirters of the CA18, but like the crank girdle, oil squirters from a CA18DET block can be fitted to the CA20 block
- It's possible to fit the DOHC CA18DE/T twincam head to the SOHC CA20 block. However the DOHC/SOHC manifolds are different and the timing pulley/belts are not compatible
Quoted from wikipedia.com ;)
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Oil squirters can't be easily fitted.
Oil galleries need to be drilled into the block for them, mounting holes tapped, mounting surfaces machined as well. Lots of precision machining.
IIRC the girdle doesn't fit over the CA20 crank.
I ran cryo treated standard pistons and rods in a CA20ET at 8 psi boost for over 8 months without a problem. (I busted a 2nd hand piston before I got it tuned properly though)