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Re: Looks like Australia is going down the sh*tter
« Reply #60 on: Nov 27, 2007, 03:40PM »
Depends IF labor fuck up.  :)

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Re: Looks like Australia is going down the sh*tter
« Reply #61 on: Nov 27, 2007, 04:11PM »
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Re: Looks like Australia is going down the sh*tter
« Reply #62 on: Nov 27, 2007, 05:12PM »
both parties are too alike for me to argue about. really at the moment one apparently benefits corporate level business and the other benefits unions. neither however... seem to be giving the small business much though.. but that might all be to do with market shares and the globalisation of business.. shrug.
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Re: Looks like Australia is going down the sh*tter
« Reply #63 on: Nov 27, 2007, 07:21PM »
I think it would be nice if we all earned, and were taxed, the same amount.  Humans are all equal (except for people with special needs, i.e. disabled), so why should anyone need more money than anyone else?
i know its been forever since i ever made a peep but i figured i might make some noise and then go back into my observing tower.
But the idea of everyone being equal doesn't quite work when it comes to making a living.
If everyone got paid the same then why would people do dangerous jobs in for example, a mine, when they could be quite safe in a nice aircon office sitting on their arse.

People wont want to further educate themselves to achieve more money if there is no need to, because who would want to be stuck studying to become a manager of something with stress and tones of responsibility and the existance of your company depending on you when you could live an easier life being below the management.  So you'll find the intellect of our country will drop.

Only the major companies will be able to afford to pay people because what about a  shop that will only make 1 grand on a good day wont be able to pay all its staff and the rent at the same time. So then our country will be run by the likes of woolworths and coles (but then again we are getting close to that)

In a society as you suggest, where does all the profit that is made go? because you cant sell absolutely everything for the exact same price, so if everyone is paid the same, there will be profit all over the place that wont filter down to workers. so where does it go? big guys at the top i would guess, or do you suggest that the profits go to the government? so you think the government will spend more on services for the people? rubbish.
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Re: Looks like Australia is going down the sh*tter
« Reply #64 on: Nov 28, 2007, 12:40PM »
Your statement about danger pay is fair.  But it is in no way related to luck, is it?  You couldn't say that you were lucky to get paid more, because it's a tradeoff for the danger you deal with.

Also, I am doubtful of the claim that people won't educate themselves but for money.  You can learn for the sake of learning and bettering yourself for yourself.

Profit is the difference between the cost of production and the price which is paid for the good or service.  You decrease profit by decreasing prices.  If you don't need profit, then you don't need huge margins.  Also, why can't we sell all goods for the same price, at appropriate proportions?  Prices are just an evolution of a barter system, where a half a pig could be traded for a haircut.

I hate to say it, but your type of thinking it what I was getting at above when I said "I think a lot of people think the way they do because of the way society is structured - like we all have one box-size to fit in."  Things don't have to be the way they are.  They don't even have to be similar.  It's just that they are like they are, and we are so used to it that a dramatically different system causes everyone to go, "HOW CAN!?!"

Edit: In a convenient coincidence: consider this 20 minute speech by Sir Ken Robinson at the 2006 Technology, Entertainment and Design conference about creativity and education as a demonstration of what I mean by thinking outside the regular channels.
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Re: Looks like Australia is going down the sh*tter
« Reply #65 on: Nov 28, 2007, 02:09PM »
I think it would be nice if we all earned, and were taxed, the same amount.  Humans are all equal (except for people with special needs, i.e. disabled), so why should anyone need more money than anyone else?

Sounds like true communism to me. Seems to have worked well for some nations, like the Soviet Union. Hmmm...wonder why it all went belly up?  :o

All humans are not equal. Some choose to work harder than others, and the rewards clearly pay off for them. Who really cares if the CEO of Domino's gets an annual salary of $700k pa.
He obviously worked his ass off to get to that position (or was VERY lucky); i hardly think he would be on easy street job wise in that kind of role.

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Re: Looks like Australia is going down the sh*tter
« Reply #66 on: Nov 28, 2007, 02:34PM »


I hate to say it, but your type of thinking it what I was getting at above

lol.. yeh, she is, along with 99% of everyone else on the planet.

Prices are just an evolution of a barter system, where a half a pig could be traded for a haircut.

yes, but if you know that the bloke down the street is going to do a better job of your haircut, and he was asking for a whole pig, then you're going to give him a whole pig aren't you? why would you not pay more for better goods and services? if someone in your 'perfect' situation made more effort with what they're making to produce a better product, they're going to want more pigs.. it might be the exact same product, it will look and feel the same, therefore it would be of the same "appropriate proportion" as you put it, but the better quality item wont break, where as someone that has spent less effort, selling their items for the same price, their stuff is breaks more often. so you go buy the better quality stuff.. its plainly common sense.. that said, the maker of the better quality items has every right to ask for a few more pigs, within reason of course.

or alternatively, people will stop going to the guy that makes the shoddy products, so he wont be getting many pigs, cause everyone knows his product is crap and they're shopping else where.. maybe he is trying his absolute hardest and as far as he is concerned, he is not capable of making his item any better than he already does, simply because he does not have the ability to do so.. what is he going to do to make sales? he isnt going to keep asking for the same amount of pigs cause ultimately, he isnt going to be able to feed his family.. he's going to drop his prices to get customers back.

but of course, there would be laws in place in your society to prevent this, the people that make the better products will get jack of it and most likely revolt, just what everyone needs.

i guess though when you get literally torn to shreds by the people who have better skills/make more effort that feel your idealistic society is holding them back.. because your community will most likely be away on some far off planet (or korea, china, cuba maybe), we wont be able to hear you scream  :D

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Re: Looks like Australia is going down the sh*tter
« Reply #67 on: Nov 28, 2007, 02:53PM »
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Re: Looks like Australia is going down the sh*tter
« Reply #68 on: Nov 28, 2007, 02:57PM »
lol i cant believe you actually have 56 posts.

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Re: Looks like Australia is going down the sh*tter
« Reply #69 on: Nov 28, 2007, 05:37PM »

lol.. yeh, she is, along with 99% of everyone else on the planet.



99% is a bit optimistic... y'know China is still socialist and they take up one sixth... also seems to be working pretty good for them too.. what with them being one of the strongest economies in the world.
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Re: Looks like Australia is going down the sh*tter
« Reply #70 on: Nov 28, 2007, 06:48PM »
The economy might be strong but are they happy....

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Re: Looks like Australia is going down the sh*tter
« Reply #71 on: Nov 28, 2007, 09:08PM »
Plus their strong economy is destroying their entire country's natural beauty.
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Re: Looks like Australia is going down the sh*tter
« Reply #72 on: Nov 28, 2007, 10:21PM »
The economy might be strong but are they happy....

you ask them. they aren't doing too bad for themselves, China just bought a huge percentage of the worlds lead supply for building new houses.. I mean, no worse than the rest of south east Asia.

Plus their strong economy is destroying their entire country's natural beauty.

Australia still has the worst pollution per capita.
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Re: Looks like Australia is going down the sh*tter
« Reply #73 on: Nov 29, 2007, 09:13AM »
kids! dont lick the walls of your houses of lead!  :D

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Re: Looks like Australia is going down the sh*tter
« Reply #74 on: Nov 29, 2007, 09:48AM »
Australia still has the worst pollution per capita.

Indeed, but we have no-where fucking near as many people breathing the air and drinking the water in our country... versus what their natural environment has to cope with, with their 1.3 billion people.
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Re: Looks like Australia is going down the sh*tter
« Reply #75 on: Nov 29, 2007, 12:08PM »
I'm sure australia has more trees and pollution reversing area than most countries.

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Re: Looks like Australia is going down the sh*tter
« Reply #76 on: Nov 29, 2007, 06:01PM »
i'm going to wait and see if rudd stuffs things up to start whinging.
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Re: Looks like Australia is going down the sh*tter
« Reply #77 on: Nov 29, 2007, 08:03PM »
i'm going to wait and see if rudd stuffs things up to start whinging.


already happening.

ratifying kyoto will be one of the first things he does? Ummm just change all that legislation that needs to be changed, push through the new bills that need to be created, consult the state governements etc etc, sure that will only take a week or two. If he'd done his research he'd have realised theres more to it than just signing a piece of paper. So unless he is going to do very few things in the fist half (at least) of this term, i dont see how this is possible.

rip up workchoices? need to wait at least a year til the senate changes as a result of the election just gone and you might be able to get that through. And i was lead to beleive that he only wanted to change parts of the legislation not get rid of the whole lot.

but i am willing to give him a chance on his policies. I still hate him for being a slimy, media schmoozing, tin tin look alike shmuck but i will give him a chance for now....

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Re: Looks like Australia is going down the sh*tter
« Reply #78 on: Nov 29, 2007, 08:30PM »
already happening.

ratifying kyoto will be one of the first things he does? Ummm just change all that legislation that needs to be changed, push through the new bills that need to be created, consult the state governements etc etc, sure that will only take a week or two. If he'd done his research he'd have realised theres more to it than just signing a piece of paper. So unless he is going to do very few things in the fist half (at least) of this term, i dont see how this is possible.

rip up workchoices? need to wait at least a year til the senate changes as a result of the election just gone and you might be able to get that through. And i was lead to beleive that he only wanted to change parts of the legislation not get rid of the whole lot.

but i am willing to give him a chance on his policies. I still hate him for being a slimy, media schmoozing, tin tin look alike shmuck but i will give him a chance for now....

well parliament isn't sitting again till next year so he can't push anything through for a while.
He needs a majority vote in the senate and Houses to pass a law. Something I'm not sure he has, unlike Johnny who enjoyed the last 4yrs of reign with little resistance in the parliament houses.

Labor has said that removing work choices will take more time then 1 election period, so 4+ yrs.
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Re: Looks like Australia is going down the sh*tter
« Reply #79 on: Feb 1, 2008, 12:08PM »
Down the shitter yet?

I'm sure those of you with mortgages are keeping your fingers crossed about the ever increasing intrest rate.

And what is this sorry crap?  I think its just a ploy to try get the aboriginals off the parlament lawn... it wont work... they'll just ask for money next.

I think it will be funny to see if Rudd kisses up to the new American president.

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Re: Looks like Australia is going down the sh*tter
« Reply #80 on: Feb 1, 2008, 02:35PM »
Down the shitter yet?

I'm sure those of you with mortgages are keeping your fingers crossed about the ever increasing intrest rate.

And what is this sorry crap?  I think its just a ploy to try get the aboriginals off the parlament lawn... it wont work... they'll just ask for money next.

I think it will be funny to see if Rudd kisses up to the new American president.


this sorry business is going to become the biggest farce of this decade, the aboriginals have already said that they now want a sorry day every year and a commemorative coin.

the government is going to give an inch and then get dragged in for a mile.

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Re: Looks like Australia is going down the sh*tter
« Reply #81 on: Feb 1, 2008, 02:52PM »
The Labor party can't be held at all responsible for any interest rate rises in the short term.
Send your blame for that one to John Howard, as he has left our new prime minister in a bit of a shitty situation i believe......
Labour haven't been in power long enough yet to cause any real change to the way our economy is going.
All in all, I think Kevin Rudd is doing a good job so far and is pretty well sticking to what he said he would do, before he got voted in. It seems to me that he has probably made more progress in the last 2 months that the liberals probably did in the last 2 years!
A bit of fresh, younger blood running the country will hopefully prove to be a positive thing.
Howard had been in power for too long, had gone stale and mouldy and become useless.
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« Reply #82 on: Feb 1, 2008, 04:53PM »
I also agree that nothing can be blamed on Krudd yet.

As an example, Kev wasnt even in power at the time that my gas price rose about 10c a litre, im not going to blame Johnny Howard, but i k now it wasnt Krudd's fault. I think hes doing fine, but it hasnt been long enough to judge just yet.

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Re: Looks like Australia is going down the sh*tter
« Reply #83 on: Feb 1, 2008, 07:11PM »
Cruizer how is the propaganda wagon going, are you there yet.

As for saying sorry, I wont be and I dont think Kev should say sorry. I haven't done anything wrong and I sure Rudd never did either.

While we are at it, why dont we sorry to the American Ingines (Indian's) or the South African natives.

Kev is doing a great job, I agree with Dan aswell. Kev has done more then Johnny in 2 months.

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Re: Looks like Australia is going down the sh*tter
« Reply #84 on: Feb 2, 2008, 12:04PM »
Propaganda wagon? Pretty sure I'm entitled to my own opinion.

I can see the next 5 years will spent blaming the previous govt. for what has happened. Anyone else in Adelaide been inconvenienced by numerous train strikes? That didn't happen during liberal govt.

I guess we'll see in a few years how he's going once he's stopped complaining with what he has been left with. Complaining about high inflation? We'll see in a few years.

Anyone willing to have their tax money going to the poor deprived aboriginals because a sorry wasn't enough? I guess that is another debate though.

But who knows, my opinion could be wrong and could be a good change.

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Re: Looks like Australia is going down the sh*tter
« Reply #85 on: Feb 2, 2008, 09:12PM »
I can see the next 5 years will spent blaming the previous govt. for what has happened. Anyone else in Adelaide been inconvenienced by numerous train strikes? That didn't happen during liberal govt.

Whoa! Settle down there Cruiser.
You can't blame K Rudd and the federal Labor party for public transport issues in SA. Blame our 'Muppet' premier Mike Rann for that one. State and federal governments are two completely different things.
Personally I am happy with the new federal labor party, but would like really like to see the Liberals take power in the next SA state election. Mike Rann is a useless idiot. He's piss farted around when it comes to water issues and instead, we get a tram that now travels an extra 500m (and lost 2 lanes down King William road). Oh, and how many millions were wasted with all of those proposals for a grandstand in the parklands. Like we really needed that.....

As for blaming previous governments for the shit fight that we are facing today... Well, that is bound to happen to a certain extent, and would occur no matter who is in power.
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« Reply #86 on: Feb 3, 2008, 01:34AM »
I will second that, public transport is controlled by the state governments.

Cruizer Johnny is in a retirement village somewhere now. If you love him that much, go and help him with his lawn and his lawn bowls.

Johnny was and always has been a ignorant little prick. So long Johnny.
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Re: Looks like Australia is going down the sh*tter
« Reply #87 on: Feb 3, 2008, 08:52AM »
All I can say is I'm over politics  ;D


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Re: Looks like Australia is going down the sh*tter
« Reply #88 on: Feb 3, 2008, 10:55AM »
All I can say is I'm over politics  ;D

hah yeah pretty much. doesnt matter how much whinging you do you cant change anything. so why bother worrying about it.
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Re: Looks like Australia is going down the sh*tter
« Reply #89 on: Feb 3, 2008, 11:55AM »
All I can say is I'm over politics  ;D

Can't say i blame you Cruiser!
We pay our taxes to pay the wages of these clowns, who sometimes seem to do not much more than sit in parliament and bicker like school children!
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