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Title: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Oct 24, 2009, 05:34PM
hey guys and girls,
just wondering if it would be hard( aka expensive) to fit a turbo off a pulsar gti-r. looking for close to 200kws at the wheels.
what other mods would be needed?
also how much would i be look to pay for a gti-r turbo and having it fitted?
thanks,
Michael
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Jono on Oct 24, 2009, 08:27PM
The block webbing apparently needs to be ground back to clear the exhaust housing, and I think the dump pipe needs to be modified too.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Budgie on Oct 25, 2009, 08:36AM
Jono, spot on mate.

You should get close to 200awkw with a gtir SIZED turbo... but not necessarily one off a GTi-R
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: lgee on Oct 25, 2009, 01:17PM
Having done this conversion, these are the problems, if you use a gtir manifold it flows better by its design, it is more centralised where the pipe comes out into the turbo so no grinding of the block, if you do it this way, your oil return line does not line up any more so a mod is needed, also you water cooling and oil feed from the block dont line up any more either i suggest a full set of braided from Midnight Mods on NS.com, your intake pipe is different as well, the O2 sensor may foul your airconditioning pipe if you have ac, the dump pipe you just use your current t25 it is the same but with the manifold sitting 1.5 inches more towards the front of the engine or no1 cylinder your exhaust may need a bit of adjustment as well. thats about it but yeah big gains to be had, the t28 from the gtir has a .86 rear housing as compared to the t25which has a .64 means you get more lag but will have more in the top end of the rev range, but wont cut in till 3600 rpm. i hope this helps, dont forget you will need to remap and s15 injectors.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: JelloBello on Oct 25, 2009, 02:39PM
I have a s15 t28 on mine and it went on with little drama. I did however have to grind a bit of the block to get it too fit on. Alot of the pulsar guys use a spacer between the head and manifold to more the turbo closer to the radiator - however you'll also need to re-work your plumbing if you do this. As lgee mentioned get a set of braided lines, makes life 10 times easier.

Finally I'd consider a gt2871r or maybe the smaller gt2860rs (disco potato) to help you reach 200awkw, also be sure to get a set of cams! Altough I dare say it would be possible with the gti-r t28 you'd be pushing to very close to it's limits.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Nov 2, 2009, 11:12AM
i think im about to win the bidding on a gti-r manifold:)
anyone in victoria want to do all the work for me?
haha i will pay in peanuts and beer:P:P
i dont actualy have the bluebird yet,
hopefully in 2 weeks:)
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Nov 2, 2009, 01:33PM
i just bought a gti-r manifold off ebay..what do u guys think?
http :// cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280415123077&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_500wt_1182

Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: JelloBello on Nov 2, 2009, 03:00PM
good buy! nice price too, normally they go for around $100.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Nov 3, 2009, 01:31AM
yeah i thought it was a good buy..typed it on ebay..had an hour to go. and it was cheap..so thought might aswell bid on it.
lol now i gotta find a gti-r turbo..but im out of cash for awhile:(
start of next year if someone wants to sell me a gti-r turbo for cheap..feel free;)
also some bigger injectors for cheap would be nice also;)
how much will i be looking at to the manifold and turbo put it in?
also where is a good place to take in melbourne? (frankston sort of area if possible)
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Nov 3, 2009, 07:09AM
You should do it yourself mate, it's not as hard as you think and you will learn a lot from it. Also, now you've got the manifold, you don't need to get a GTiR turbo, go for something a bit better, like a GT2871R. Good sized turbo for a 2L. I have one on my attesa and it goes great.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Nov 3, 2009, 10:15AM
yeah i might..gti-r turbo is just cheaper:P
and im a total noob..lol if i can find someone that has an idea of what they are doing to lend a hand i will give it a go:D

how much power could i be making with an GT2871R ? if i can find a good one for cheapish i wil probably end up doing that:D
i keep hearing about how the gearbox's are weak. only thing im worried about.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Vithy on Nov 3, 2009, 04:00PM
You should do it yourself mate, it's not as hard as you think and you will learn a lot from it. Also, now you've got the manifold, you don't need to get a GTiR turbo, go for something a bit better, like a GT2871R. Good sized turbo for a 2L. I have one on my attesa and it goes great.
great is an understatement lol!
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Nov 3, 2009, 08:26PM
might seem like a bit of a silly question,
but what sort of 0-100 times and 1/4 mile times are u pulling with the GT2871R...and what do u estimate a bluebird would do with a gti-r turbo..if anyone has any idea?:)
sorry for all the noob questions:)
also,
why is there hardly any videos of bluebirds on youtube..i wanna some in action from inside the car!! :)
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Craazy on Nov 3, 2009, 08:34PM
depending on the setting up with the tune, and the boost running. i would estimate mid to high 12's with a gtir or gt28 turbo on moderate boost.

im running a 13.5 sec U12 bluey with a high flowed t25 on 11 psi, and for all intents it has a 5.5sec 0-100kmh.

so running the right setup you can go along way and its all dependant on how for you want to go
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Nov 3, 2009, 08:52PM
oh yes please!! lol
i think i would be more then happy with a gti-r turbo!!
well i got a few months to think it through:)
should note the mods that are on the car( havent actualy got the car yet,in a few weeks it should be in my possesion)

-Fully adjustable coilovers allround
-Excedy Heavy Duty Clutch.
Features include:
- Running 9 psi ( not sure if it actualy has a boost controller on it or not ?)
- 3 inch exhaust from dump pipe back
- Front mount Intercooler
- Blow off Valve ( unsure of brand or model)
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Nov 3, 2009, 09:12PM
2871R should go into the 11's and still be very streetable. I say should because I've been unable to run my car, we have no drag strip in SA. And 9 PSI is crap, buy a t valve for it and boost it up to 15PSI the day you get it, should still be pushing 13 pound at redline.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Nov 3, 2009, 10:17PM
yeah thats my first thing im going to do to it!!..but 15psi sounds like a far bit on a stock turbo..is that safe? i was thinking 12-13 psi..but if 15psi is safe..then im all for that:p
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: JelloBello on Nov 4, 2009, 08:38AM
I was running 15psi all day everyday on my stocker, even did a 13.8 with it on an auto box :)

Just make sure your fuel pump is working properly.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Nov 10, 2009, 06:25PM
should be getting my bluebird sometime next week hopefully:)
WOO!!
so whats a good cheap boost controller ? and where is a good place to get it from?
ebay?
lol
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Nov 10, 2009, 06:53PM
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Turbosmart-Boost-Controller-T-Black_W0QQitemZ180428635622QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Car_Parts_Accessories?hash=item2a02627de6 (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Turbosmart-Boost-Controller-T-Black_W0QQitemZ180428635622QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Car_Parts_Accessories?hash=item2a02627de6)

Quick, theres 6 minutes left
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Nov 10, 2009, 07:11PM
ahh damn...missed it...but now i know where to look!!! lol.turbosmart was what i was thinking aswell!!
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: JelloBello on Nov 10, 2009, 07:22PM
this is where it's at:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Turbotech-manual-turbo-boost-controller-THE-ORIGINAL_W0QQitemZ220506707045QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Car_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3357395465

Mine served me well for 3 years! Can't go wrong for the price.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Budgie on Nov 10, 2009, 07:52PM
I also have one, brilliant little controller
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Nov 10, 2009, 08:14PM
nice and cheap..i just bought one off ebay:P
thanks for the tip guys!!
what is needed ? does itcome with lil clamps or whatever?( i have some idea of what im talking about..i think?)
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: lgee on Nov 10, 2009, 10:14PM
I Greddy profec adjustable boost controller, dial it up or down from the drivers seat, cost me $75 on ebay very accurate and stable, no boost spiking,  i can run 7lb turn the dial a bit and i have 10 turn a bit more 12 more 15, it has a Overtake boost function as well where you can wire a switch to your steering wheel and when you push the button it allows the boost to goto a predetermined setting bit like push to pass from indy, as well as you can lock the boost low so when to take it to the shop they cant get funky with the boost and hurt ur engine, worth a look.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Nov 11, 2009, 09:49AM
thanks,
but i already bought the turbotech boost controller :) anyone have any photos of how they installed theres? im sure its not that hard but i am mechanically retarded:P

also,
whats everyones opinion on running 15psi on the stock turbo?
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Kranzy on Nov 11, 2009, 10:36AM
I Greddy profec adjustable boost controller, dial it up or down from the drivers seat, cost me $75 on ebay very accurate and stable, no boost spiking,  i can run 7lb turn the dial a bit and i have 10 turn a bit more 12 more 15, it has a Overtake boost function as well where you can wire a switch to your steering wheel and when you push the button it allows the boost to goto a predetermined setting bit like push to pass from indy, as well as you can lock the boost low so when to take it to the shop they cant get funky with the boost and hurt ur engine, worth a look.

Got a link to the one you bought?

Im looking for an adjustable one if possible...
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: awd2.0t on Nov 11, 2009, 08:11PM
Got a link to the one you bought?

Im looking for an adjustable one if possible...

Sorry to hijack the thread, but I've got a turbosmart dual stage sitting in the bottom draw if anyone is interested just pm me or call/txt 0418 50 70 30.  Located in Melbourne. 
Cheers
Sean
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Nov 12, 2009, 08:51PM
WOO!! i get the car on the 20th..or around then:D:D
i have a stupid question that i should of thought of in the first place...i have 9 months left on my P's ( in victoria)
am i even able to rego the car in my own name? i dont see why i shouldnt be able too.
also, anyone got pics of how they installed there boost controller ? im sure its not that hard..just dont want to screw it up:)
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Nov 12, 2009, 09:20PM
The turbo on the attesa is right at the front of the car, just behind the radiator, on it there is a small cylinder called the waste gate actuator, there is a hose going to it. You need to follow that hose back a little way, cut it, and put you boost controller in between.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: JelloBello on Nov 12, 2009, 10:37PM
This be the line Luke is talking about:

(http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3886/img2267sr6.jpg)

If you follow it back you should actually find a little solenoid with two lines going to it, you can take out the solenoid and replace it with the boost controller.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Nov 14, 2009, 12:39AM
thanks guys:) wil have to wait till friday when i get the car to see whats going on :)
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Nov 15, 2009, 03:31PM
Jello, is that your car in the photo? You have a retarted looking distibutor, completely different to mine.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: JelloBello on Nov 15, 2009, 07:22PM
yeh luke that's mine allright. Photo's from when I first got the car and asked exactly the same question sinner did.

Your's has the plugs pointing sideways right? I'm not sure if it's a series 2 blacktop thing or if it's a dizzy cap off a de pulsar or the like. My leads only just fit on because of it tho.

Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Nov 15, 2009, 08:38PM
Yeah, Just bought a new one too from the wreckers... NA N14 SSS Dizzy is the correct one.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Nov 19, 2009, 09:03PM
picking up the car tomorrow if all go's well.. just found out it has a crack in the windscreen..im assuming i will have to get that replaced for a rwc?
anyone know how much that could cost? grr
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Nov 21, 2009, 09:32PM
i got the car:)
i havent gotten the chance to drive it yet..at hte mechanics being checked over for a rwc. my dad drove it back..i thought it would feel a bit faster...and damn its bumpy with coilover suspension!! lol
still on stock boost though!! might make a video doing 0-100 when i get the car rwc and registered:)
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Nov 24, 2009, 08:57PM
hey guys,will a bov off any of the sr20dets go on an sr20det from the bluebird? i need a stock bov to pass vicroads. or is there another away around it?
currently has a hks ssqv which obviously isnt legal lol.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: JelloBello on Nov 24, 2009, 09:10PM
Any of the east/west ones will, not sure about rwd ones - although I doubt it.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Nov 25, 2009, 11:53AM
hrmmm..pain in the ass.
anyone know of  a decent cheap LEGAL bov?
or have a stock bov for cheap?
need one asap..havent even gotten to drive the damn thing yet:(
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Budgie on Nov 25, 2009, 12:26PM
seeing as you have the car now... where are the pics? :P
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Nov 25, 2009, 01:25PM
When you get the stock BOV on it, leave it on there, it will go much better for it, aftermarket Atmo bovs will stuff up your AFR's when you change gears.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Nov 25, 2009, 01:26PM
its at my dads mates mechanic..has  been since friday..soo annoyed!! i just want it here so i can drive it !! lol
apparently the suspension is illegal and so is the bov..which i knew the bov would be but i dont know why the suspension is illegal. gotta give him a call today.
anyone  have a stock bov i can borrow for a vicroads inspection? lol
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Nov 25, 2009, 01:27PM
yeah i probably will..the hks one is too loud. and im not even supposed to be driving a turbo till august lol
who wants to get rid of there stock bov?:P
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Craazy on Nov 25, 2009, 06:55PM
any r34 bov is a straight bolt in so take your pick at any kind of recirc valve you want or find one at a wreckers for cheap

i didnt know coil overs were illegal..... hmm research time
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Craazy on Nov 25, 2009, 07:05PM
ok so vicroads doesnt say anywhere that coil overs are illegal....... been searching there rules and regs.....

only thing it does say is that you need an approval cert, so maybe go to an engineer with all the info from the manufacturer and they should give you a cert no worries, just coz its a modification.

thats read off of VSI 26 and VSI 8 from vicroads
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Nov 25, 2009, 07:29PM
think my dads mechanic will probs do all that for me..and couldnt i just bypass the bov thats on the car already so its not venting into the atmosphere?
would take it make it legal or nah? the guy is ringing me tomorrow so will let u's know what happens..i just wanna drive the damn thing!! lol still gotta book in at vicroads...DOHH!!
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Nov 25, 2009, 09:02PM
Just take it off and block it with a piece of metal, problem solved.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Nov 25, 2009, 09:21PM
yeah thats what i would of thought..i dont know why its taken the mechanic since last f'n friday to do it!!! hopefully i will get it tomorrow or friday otherwise im just gonna bring it back and do it myself lol
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Nov 27, 2009, 03:46PM
ok im getting super pissed off now...the mechanic is saying the suspension is illegal cause its too stiff...thats sounds retarded to me...?
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Nov 30, 2009, 04:11PM
ok now i have the car( althouht it wont be registered till tomorrow when i take it into vicroads)
as for the boost controller. the tube going from the wastegate actuator go's into what i assume is piping to the intercooler. does this mean i dont have the factory solenoid? anyone have a pic of where the solenoid is? i couldnt see it
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Nov 30, 2009, 04:27PM
If your positive that it is only 1 piece of hose with no T pieces in it, just cut it and pop it in.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Nov 30, 2009, 04:40PM
100% sure there is no t piece on that tube from the waste gate actuator..i will upload some pics anyways:) i like to completly sure of what im doing lol.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Nov 30, 2009, 05:23PM
1st pic isthe line from the actuator
<a href="http://s31.photobucket.com/albums/c354/deprived777/?action=view&current=1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c354/deprived777/1.jpg" border="0" alt="wastegate">[/url]

and this is where it go's too

<a href="http://s31.photobucket.com/albums/c354/deprived777/?action=view&current=2.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c354/deprived777/2.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket">[/url]
so all i have to do is put the controller in between...thats too easy! lol :D
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Nov 30, 2009, 05:28PM
not sure why the pics didnt work..
but this is the 1st pic

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c354/deprived777/1.jpg)

and 2nd

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c354/deprived777/2.jpg)
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: JelloBello on Nov 30, 2009, 05:40PM
Yeh, that's the right hose.

iirc the solenoid was attached or very very close to the air box, so if your car has a pod filter it was most likely taken out of the equation when the airbox was taken out.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Nov 30, 2009, 05:58PM
it doesnt have a pod filter though..lol maybe it did at one stage and stock airbox was put o..who knows..but i looked for the solenoid and i couldnt find it..although there is a bracket near the airbox where i think it would of been..either way..its going to be easy to do:) will chuck it on after vicroads tomorrow:)
the car sounds soooo nice and deep!! love it lol
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 1, 2009, 05:46PM
i put the boost controller in my car..literally took 30 seconds..i cut the tube with a pair of scissors and put it in between..easy..... i accidently boosted it to 18psi..lol it fuel cut or something..didnt like that..but runs awesome at 15 psi..well its more like ts on 13-14 psi..but it spikes to 15 psi ..
i got a question...the car feels slow as a mofo under 3500 rpm..and only really feels fast fast just passed 4000 rpm.. ididnt think the turbo would feel that laggy. is that normal for the stock turbo?
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 1, 2009, 07:10PM
just took it for another spin..when i set the boost controller to 15psi..it spikes to 17 psi. should i just set it at 12-13psi and leave it aat that( spikes to 15psi on that setting)
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Budgie on Dec 1, 2009, 07:30PM
thats alot of boost on the stock T25G... especailly in summer.

set it to 12psi to be safe, we don't want your next post to be "bluebird busted" :P :)
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 1, 2009, 08:05PM
haha yeah its pretty much on 12 psi..but it spikes alot.
it runs really good though..hrrmm the car has no balls whatever so ever under 4000 rpm.i really  thought it would have more power from 3000 onwards.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Dec 1, 2009, 08:55PM
Are you sure it's a T25?
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 1, 2009, 09:18PM
im not sure at all..lol i will try get a look tomorrow. the guy never mentioned having an aftermarket turbo on the car.
i will pay more attention to the boost tomorrow and see how long it takes to hit full boost...it definately over 3000 rpm though. the boost controller apparently was supposed to make hte turbo spool earlier aswell..but i didnt notice much of a difference..feels very very slow untill about 3500 then it pulls really hard :)
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: lMitAtiON on Dec 2, 2009, 05:43AM
looks like a t25 sized turbo?


Did you get it registered with the coilovers?

Coilovers are illegal because your car has to retain 2/3rds of the original suspension travel. You just need an Engineers Cert to make them legal. Ive been defected with them before.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: JelloBello on Dec 2, 2009, 09:13AM
That's almost definately the stock t25 (from the pictures). Full boost should be from 3000 or before!

Next thing is to check for intake and vacuume leaks. Also just make sure you put the boost controller in the right way (the barb opposite the bolt should connect to the intake pipework)
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 2, 2009, 10:36AM
yeah boost controller is in the right way...im not completley retarded:p so there could be a leak somewhere maybe? could that be cause the 2-3 psi boost spiking aswell?
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: JelloBello on Dec 2, 2009, 11:27AM
haha, i'm not trying to be a jerk - just double checking :D

lack of response could be a huge number of things... off the top of my head in no particular order:

bad exhaust flow
vacuum leaks
knock sensor playing up (retarded timing)
head->manifold or manifold->turbo gasket leak
small intake leak
poor pre-turbo air flow
wastegate not being held shut (actuator on the way out).

Welcome to the wonderful world of turbo cars :P It's very much a love-hate world! Just work through the possible causes one by one until you find the offender.

Most likely of the above would probably be a gasket leak or a wastegate issue imo.

Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 2, 2009, 12:20PM
welli have no idea how to check those things to be honest:) ha.but it has the standard air box on the car..if i was too put a pod filter on it could that possibly make the car spool up any earlier? whats a decent pod filter to put on it?
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: JelloBello on Dec 2, 2009, 01:31PM
A pod really isn't going to fix the problem unless the current air filter is in really bad shape. K&N pod filters are allways a safe bet :)

Now... I'm going to try and give you a basic idea of what to look for with these problems, keep in mind I'm definately not a machanic!

Gaskets:
With the gasket leaks it's normally quite obvious if you've had the car for a while as there is a noticable difference in exhaust noise, however since you just got the car this doesn't apply. Best way I can think of checking is to have the car running and use your hand to feel around the head->manifold and manifold->turbo joins, if the gaskets are leaking you'll be able to feel the exhaust gasses. Obviously to fix this replace the offending gaskets

Wastegate:
Wastegate is a bit tougher to check.... infact thinking about it I can't think of a way to check it properly in-car. What might be happening is that the spring in the actuator may be getting on and not holding the wastegate flap fully shut (the exhaust gasses are blowing it open under load). Normally the gate would remain shut until full boost is reached then open to allow gasses to bypass the exhaust turbine and sustain the desired boost level. If the flap isn't fully shut then gasses are bypassing it prematurely and increasing the time it takes top spin up to full boost. Anyway, point is since this only really happens under load it's a tough thing to test. I'm sure with the actuator out of the car you could measure the preload on it and see if it's within spec. If it is faulty it can be fixed by replacing with a new item or adding a spring to help hold the gate shut.

Vacuum and Intake leaks:
In your case I don't think these are likey culprits as they normally also come with backfiring, poor idle and exhaust smoke - so unless you're also experiencing these I would strike them off the list of possibilities.

Poor exhaust flow:
With turbo cars they love free flowing exhausts! If you still have the stock system I'd look at getting it replaced anyway. The most common problem with the exhaust from what I understand is a collapsed cat converter, when the exhaust gasses have nowhere to go then backpressure builds up and slows the rate as which the turbo spins upto speed. Best way to check this is to unbolt the cat and hold it up to the sky - you should be able to see through the honeycomb type mesh that's inside. If not look at getting a replacement, or if you don't mind polluting the enviroment and risking an apparant $10,000 dollar fine from the EPA just take a hammer and bash out the insides :D

Knock Sensor:
Now, the knock sensor is located on the firewall side of the engine underneath the intake manifold. It's job is to listen for any knocking (aka pre-detonation) which can be caused by excessive heat, poor fuel or a combination of a lot of other things. When it detects knock it retards the timing something cronic to save the pistons/engine. When the happens the car becomes extremely sluggish. Of course every now and then the sensor becomes faulty and reports false knocks. To check if this is happening the easiest thing to do is plug in a consult cable and retrieve the error codes from the ecu (this can also find other problems so is probably worth doing anyway). If it is faulty you can either replace it with a brand new one (common to many nissan engines) or replace it with a million ohm resistor to trick the ecu :)


It's tough trying to diagnose and fix over the interwebz :P

Also wow, that was more prologned then I intended.

Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 2, 2009, 02:11PM
cheers mate..i will have to check out some of those things later on:)
also it has a 3" exhaust from the turbo on it so i dont think it would be the exhaust:)
i just uploaded some  videos on youtube. i will post the links :) the is a video of the boost gauge showing the spiking..but i cut the video short by accident..driving while filming with a phone isnt the best idea lol
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 2, 2009, 02:18PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntLQ-ABu30k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbmlroZBqFw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r14gyC4Zp8Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuryhAgPnNk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSqJCi683f8
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: lMitAtiON on Dec 2, 2009, 03:44PM
i cant see a boost gauge?


GET rid of that BOV lol i hate them
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 2, 2009, 04:46PM
the 2nd link shows the boost gauge..and yep im already annoyed with the bov..haha im looking for a stock one.. but im broke atm anyways..not getting any shifts lol ..anyways..yeah the car feels slow untill it hits around 4000 rpm..gettin on my nerves now..lol im going to wind down the boost to around 11-12 psi
till i get it checked out
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: lMitAtiON on Dec 2, 2009, 07:43PM
2nd link just says an error has occurred? the rest work for me.


Definitely wind the boost down.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 2, 2009, 08:09PM
works when i click it:S..weird..anyways it shows the car going just over 15psi then back down to 12-13psi.. yeah i will wind it down tomorrow..might go for one more drive tonight with the boost how it is..its just too much fun lol..except its eating my petrol.. gone throgh $50 petrol in 250 kms..lol is this normal for a bluey? although i have beeen putting my foot down testing the boost..so i gues its my own fault
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 3, 2009, 05:25PM
so i found out something today..my car doesnt have abs brakes..haha in the wet it feels like its on ice and barely putting my foot on the brake it will slide out. and just going around a corner the tyres will slide out..do i just have shit tyres or is this normal?
i currently have the stock wheels on my car.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: JelloBello on Dec 3, 2009, 07:23PM
I can see the ABS unit in one of the pictures you posted, so the hardware is there! Sounds more like crap tyre to me.

Also ABS will do very little when going sideways, trying driving in a straight line and plant the brakes, the brake pedal should shudder - just keep it mashed to the floor.

If it shudders that's the ABS, if your tyres lock up then something is wrong :(
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 3, 2009, 07:33PM
yeah i thought i seen the abs system ..but i was in a straight line when i put my foot on the brake..and it slid for about 15 metres:S
also another time just to see if it would do it agian i pushed my foot harder on the brake and it did again.
and it wasnt alll that wet..it was like a light rain.
hrrmm..is there any reason why it wouldnt be working?
i feel really unsafe in the wet in this thing now lol..feels like driving on ice. i think my next mod is going to be 17" wheels with some decent tyres lol
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 3, 2009, 08:53PM
oh and another thing i noticed..my indictators dont go off on there own..which gets annoying. im assuming thats also not normal lol
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Craazy on Dec 3, 2009, 09:16PM
first off, what kind of tyres??? AWD's are temperamental with tyres so you should be looking at bridgestones or michelins for decent grip.

second, check your abs fuse and relay, if either of these are stuffed then it wont work. and if there is air in the system it wont work either. other than that the abs is stuffed. but test it in the dry for a definite answer.

third, wind your boost down to 7psi and if it is still coming to full boost at 4000rpm then there is a problem in the intake or exhaust track somewhere, but more likely intake after the turbo i would think

good luck with it
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Dec 3, 2009, 09:28PM
Blinkers are easy to fix, pull your steering wheel off, behind it there is a white disc thing with 2 little pins that line up with holes on the steering wheel, pull it forward, line it up and put the wheel back on.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 3, 2009, 09:42PM
i will check what tyres they are tomorrow..whatever they are there shit haha.
i will wind the boost all the way down and test it out tomorrow..after i put even more bloody petrol in it. haha.
and i will have a go at getting the steering wheel off etc. tomorrow aswell:) doesnt sound too hard. thanks heaps!!
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Vithy on Dec 5, 2009, 11:00PM
as for ya abs i find mine does jack all in the wet everything just locks up, but works fine in the dry. Also if u clutch when u slam on the brakes the abs doesnt work (or atleast on my car it doesnt). Thats just wat ive found on my attesa during the testing of stuff.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Budgie on Dec 6, 2009, 08:44AM
Your ABS is not working properly mate.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 8, 2009, 02:29PM
i swear my car feels down on power..but its hitting the same psi as it was when it felt faster...am i just used to the power now or what? lol hrmmm i need more!!
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Dec 8, 2009, 05:07PM
Your getting used to it, it always happens.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: JelloBello on Dec 8, 2009, 05:35PM
It's so true :(

My t28bb is getting a bit boring for me. gt3071r is on the list :D
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 8, 2009, 07:00PM
well u can donate ur t28bb to me ;) haha
mm i need to find another job..im craving more power..i know its just in my mind..but it just feels slow to me now:(
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 8, 2009, 07:45PM
oh yeah..i also noticed that even hitting around 13-14psi around 4000-5000 rpm it seems to hit fuel cut or something..doesnt sound to good. should i be looking at getting a better fuel pump?
also what is detonating exactly?
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: lgee on Dec 9, 2009, 05:38AM
it is your engine self destructing, something that is very expensive to fix, its when your air /fuel ratio is too lean in the cylinder and it self ignits from the heat early before its fully compressed, trying to force the piston back downwhile it is still on it way up, the copression of this already exploded mixture increases the teprature to the point where it starts to melt stuff at the flash point of the the flame travel path. here are some example from my car.

(http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee200/mrattesa/dodgyplug.jpg)  (http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee200/mrattesa/burntvalve.jpg)
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: pedro666 on Dec 9, 2009, 05:53AM
good explanation, always wondered that.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 9, 2009, 10:27AM
very good explanation..and what exactly does it sound like? is sort of like it cutting out for a split second? lol pretty sure its what my car is doing when it hits 13-14 psi around 4000-5000 rpm.
think im going to have to upgrade my fuel pump
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: lgee on Dec 9, 2009, 11:07AM
no that sounds like fuel cut out, what rpm are you at when it happens
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Dec 9, 2009, 11:57AM
Detonation sounds like a spaghetti tin full of rocks. Fuel cut probably doesn't have anything to do with your fuel pump. More likely it's over boost cut, try winding it down a bit and see what happens.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 9, 2009, 12:20PM
yeah i did wind it down a lil bit..it occasionally does it..its mostly only in 1st and 2nd..usualy happens somewhere between 4000-5000 rpm .

Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 15, 2009, 11:26PM
anyone know of a good shorft shifter? the shifter is extremely tall and looks retarded lol .
Also, are they hard to put in?
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: lgee on Dec 16, 2009, 10:48AM
i bought one on ebay and sold it to luke then had it confiscated at the airport when i was going ova there, have not seen it since. I just got one from ebay
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Budgie on Dec 16, 2009, 11:05AM
What? Confiscated? At the airport... going where? To SA?
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 16, 2009, 01:44PM
lol thats dodgy as!!!
there is one on ebay..
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NISSAN-SHORT-QUICK-SHIFTER-PULSAR-EXA-NXR-GTI-R-MICRA_W0QQitemZ200391908317QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Car_Parts_Accessories?hash=item2ea849dbdd

would that work? also it pretty much a straight swap? or would i need to get other parts to get it to fit?

Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Dec 16, 2009, 02:13PM
The short shifter isn't any shorter it still sits i the same spot, just has a shorter throw, if you want it shorter, cut a piece out and weld it back together.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 16, 2009, 02:43PM
yeah i heard it was the same length..but i want a shorter throw..especially if i gonna cut it to be shorter..lol hrrmm could be the way to go i think.
anyone here purchased that same shifter or simular and put it in them selfs?
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: lgee on Dec 16, 2009, 05:24PM
What? Confiscated? At the airport... going where? To SA?

yeah i was going there for business, just for 1 day then overnight stay and back on the Sat, it was in my laptop bag, so it was take on luggage and they said it could be used as a weapon, so they took it off me,
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 20, 2009, 12:47PM
lmao that sucks!!!
hrrmmm my turbo keeps cutting out.i set it at 10 psi and it still occasionally will cut out..jolts the whole car..doesnt feel good at all.
is my turbo on its way out?
PS...10psi feels soo much slower!!:(
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Dec 20, 2009, 04:09PM
It's fuel cut, not your turbo. You have to figure it out, you have a fault,
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 20, 2009, 04:30PM
i knewww it was fuel cut..but someone was saying its my turbo lol.
thats why i was thinking maybe i should be looking intoa new fuel pump..hrrmmmm
it only just started doing it the other night..its gotten worse
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Craazy on Dec 21, 2009, 03:23PM
i'd start looking at the either the AFM or the boost control solenoid if its not bypassed yet
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 21, 2009, 04:32PM
well as far as i could see..it never had the stock boost solenoid.
hrrmmm..
anyone know of a decent mechanic thats close to the frankston area?
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: lgee on Dec 22, 2009, 05:32AM
status tuning, 63 rodeo drive, dandenong, trent or Kat, tuning guru's nistune guru's, dyno, race, 15 mins up the eastlink get off at dandy bypass, turn right into hammond road the next left into rodeo drive, goto no 63, then wish you had found it earlier. you will need 2 cans of mother energy drink to gain access.they dont get there till 10 but work till late. 9792 3333
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 22, 2009, 08:30PM
yeah a friend of mine got her car dyno tuned there.
i noticed something..my car is realllllllllllly down on power.. it hit 12 psi...but felt extremely slow..and was even more laggy then normal:S
OH yeah..i think i found the stock boost solenoid.i will post some pics..could this be the source of the problem? the boost gauge says its hitting betweet 10-12psi when it cuts out..it wasnt doing this before..i have done some permanent damage somewhere possibly?
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 22, 2009, 09:50PM
http://s31.photobucket.com/albums/c354/deprived777/?action=view&current=old271.jpg


http://s31.photobucket.com/albums/c354/deprived777/?action=view&current=old270.jpg

and a pic of the car lol

http://s31.photobucket.com/albums/c354/deprived777/?action=view&current=old276.jpg
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 22, 2009, 10:02PM
also..if that is the stock boost soleniod..do i just take out one of those tubes and block it off? one of the tubes have been blocked off already with a screw...which i assume why it was running 9psi before the boost controller..but why all of a sudden would the car be hitting fuel cut when it wasnt before and it feels ALOT slower? hope no permanent damage has been done
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 22, 2009, 10:12PM
if that is the stock boost solenoid..which im guessing it is..how do i disconnect it? just take the remaining tube out and block it? one of the tubes that was already blocked off...so now im sure its the boost solenoid..or is too late and i have already done damage? cause the turbo now feels alot more laggy and has no power at all..it says its hitting 10-12 psi but its not pulling anywhere near as hard as it was..anyone live near the frankston area that wants to come and have a look and test drive it to figure it out?could be a few beers in it for ya:P  lol
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: JelloBello on Dec 22, 2009, 10:16PM
nah, that's not it.... looks more like a carbon canister. It would've been sitting between the turbo and manifold.

I'd say fuel pump is the more likey suspect.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 22, 2009, 10:19PM
oh ok..mm at first i didnt think it would be the boost solenoid...cause it was too long lol..but it has a screw in it blocking it off...so i assumed it must of been..GAH fuel pump..its got no power at all..it says its hitting 10 psi..but there is no way in hell it could be cause its not pulling hard at all..i would saying its doing 0-100 in 8-9 seconds now:(
soo fuel pump u recon? whats a good fuel pump to get? keep in mind im going to upgrade most likely to a gti-r turbo in a month or so
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: JelloBello on Dec 22, 2009, 10:40PM
Sounds a bit more like an exhaust (pre turbo) gasket leak. Hard to say.

Fuel pump go for a walbro 255lph or bosch 040, walbro should bea round $160 while the bosch is a tad over 200.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Kranzy on Dec 22, 2009, 10:43PM
If it was a pre turbo boost leak would it still be making full boost?
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 22, 2009, 10:43PM
hrmmm..worth taking it to a good mechanic u recon? i have no idea what to look for..pain in the ass!! lol.
also..it was spiking a fair bit before the fuel cutting problems...maybei  should look into a better boost controller also..or could that be cause by a gasket leak also?
iwish i wasnt so retarded with this sort of stuff..its funny cause i have an interview soon for a mechanic apprenticeship lmao
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 22, 2009, 10:45PM
well it wont make get too 15 psi anymore without cutting out.. it willl hit bout 11-12 psi now and cut out occasionally..but it doesnt feel as powerfully as it should..feels really slow
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Kranzy on Dec 22, 2009, 10:47PM
The biggest problem you had was overboosting it. My advice before you go spending money do a compression test, and post the results.

Are you blowing any smoke?
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: pedro666 on Dec 22, 2009, 10:47PM
feul pump is i worthy upgrade anyways... ;)
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: JelloBello on Dec 22, 2009, 10:51PM
It would make full boost kranzy, just slower (laggier).

Btw, do you have an aftermarket intercooler?

Also it could be the knock sensor... thinking about it, it could be heaps of things!

Slightly off-topic but i've noticed my car is also a fair bit slower latey, although I put it down to the 35 degreee days we've been having. Bring on the cold winter nights.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Kranzy on Dec 22, 2009, 11:00PM
Knock sensor is fine on boost, it only turns things to shit when off boost. Been there done that, replaced mine with a resistor to fix it.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 22, 2009, 11:01PM
im 90% sure its not blowing any smoke..and yes it does have an aftermarket intercooler..i will post more pics..my nets been slowed down so takes a very long time lol
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 22, 2009, 11:10PM
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c354/deprived777/P041209_141704sdfsdf.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c354/deprived777/P041209_1416sfsdf.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c354/deprived777/P041209_141703sdfsdf.jpg
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Kranzy on Dec 22, 2009, 11:11PM
Probably a good idea to edit your plates before you post photos, unless you want your car stolen.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 22, 2009, 11:21PM
done..thanks for the heads up:)
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 24, 2009, 03:24PM
i adjusted the boost a bit more..and it was going fine.was spooling up faster then it ever has...so i thought..oh yeah ..maybe the problem has sorted itself..so i was an idiot and adjusted it..a tiny tiny bit..and its lost all its power once again!!!

would this be the right fuel pump to get?

http://www.tweakit.net/shop/product_info.php?cPath=326_327_332&products_id=6476

since the gti-r is simular i was thinking that would be the way to go?

Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Kranzy on Dec 24, 2009, 03:40PM
Yeah that one seems to be the right one.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: JelloBello on Dec 24, 2009, 04:43PM
Thats the one, I would get it from here though:

http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=420125

Also, maybe try giving the AFM a quick clean... if it thinks it's maxing out then it could cause the problems described.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 25, 2009, 10:28PM
also, im probably going to get a pod filter tomorrow..do i need a special adapter or something?
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Kranzy on Dec 25, 2009, 11:57PM
Make sure you get a Nissan walbro pump. I got the universal pump and the in and out are on opposite sides (I think) and the Nissan one is on the same side. Not a huge problem just easier to fit.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Craazy on Dec 26, 2009, 02:28PM
sounds like it is on the low octane fuel maps....... your car is pinging its head off.

have you put a pod filter on?? what kind of exhaust is it?? if standard ecu this is enough with some SR's to kill the AFR's and put it in the low octane fuel maps.

try this and give us feed back: drive the car till it does the problem, then turn the car off for 5 minutes, restart and it should be fine till it pings again.

if this doesnt stop it then disconnect the battery, then put your foot on the brake pedal for 30 seconds to drain all power from the electrics, leave the battery disconnected for 30 mins then reconnect.
this resets the ECU and you should be able to determine after that if its electrical or mechanical

my bluey used to do something similar and it was the AFR's

also come on the new years cruise and we'll hook it up to the computer to find out
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 27, 2009, 09:07AM
ok i will try that today,what adapter plate do i need for a pod filter?
same as a gti-r or silvias by any chance?
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 27, 2009, 11:50AM
Ok i took the battery out for over 30 mins to reset it..and IT WORKED!! its seeems to be running much better..altough still doesnt hit full boost till around 3500and doesnt pull hard till 4000..but its much much better:D
thank u very much, so what would of caused it? overboosting?
i got it set at 12-13 psi cause it keeps spiking to 15..i wish it would just sit at 15psi and and stay there!! is there away to make it so it doesnt spike as much?
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Kranzy on Dec 27, 2009, 06:09PM
15 is too high for a standard t25. Your going to do some massive damage if your not careful, back it off to 12 psi and leave it there till you have a bigger turbo and have done some work to the engine to take the increased boost.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 27, 2009, 07:56PM
im just going off an article on the bluebird attesa,they recommended 15psi. its only spiking to 15psi for less then a second then it sticks to 12-13psi .
i will hopefully have a turbo off a gti-r in a few weeks if i can find a good one for $400 :P
know anyone selling? :p
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Vithy on Dec 28, 2009, 11:40AM
link to this article?
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: lgee on Dec 28, 2009, 11:51AM
you will need to remap ur ecu, the t28 puts out a lot more air you really need to upgrade to S15 brown injectors, they are 440cc compared to the stock 380cc purple, you will really start running out of fuel and torch a piston or a valve, then it starts to hurt you in the back pocket. been there done that!!
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 28, 2009, 02:41PM
here is the article:
http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_0140/article.html

how much boost can i run on a t28 with stock ecu and injectors? i dont mind running lower boost till i can save up more cash for the nisstune and injectors etc.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: JelloBello on Dec 28, 2009, 03:46PM
lol.

They also say they'd expect it to reach 280hp!

It's up to you bud, take the advice of a motoring journalist who drove the car for a day at most.

-or-

Listen to the knowledge/advice we've gained from owning the car. Myself for over 3 years, lgee hits the track in his on a regular basis, kranzy is a research machine, budgie would marry attesa's if it were legal.

I know who I'd be listening too.

Having said that... I ran 15psi for about a year on my t25 before chucking on a t28. Recently did a compression test and all was dandy.

With the t28 i'd reccomend no more then 10psi to be safe, I run 12psi on mine with no ill affects yet. I think I recall lgee was able to goto 13psi on a t28bb before it started leaning out. You'll notice the car is a heap faster on 10psi anyway so it should suffice for a bit.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 28, 2009, 05:44PM
when are u gonna get rid of ur t28? and for what price;)
lol
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 28, 2009, 07:01PM
has anyone heard or know of these turbos?
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NEW-KT330-TURBOCHARGER-intercooler-wastegate-turbo-cars_W0QQitemZ370213119877QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Car_Parts_Accessories?hash=item56326be785
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: lgee on Dec 28, 2009, 07:47PM
for that sort of money i can get you a chineese gt2871R direct from a contact i have over there, i am buying one next year.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 28, 2009, 08:52PM
but are they any good? as long as its simular response etc. i would be down for that:D got any more info on them?
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Craazy on Dec 29, 2009, 11:09AM
when i had these probs with my car i got a new adjustable fuel pressure reg as mine was stuffed. it got adjusted and put in a new fuel pump straight after too. didnt have the problem again. since that i had the turbo high flowed and install a 600x300 intercooler to replace the crappy top mount with no dramas after both mods.

so in a nut shell you have a serious fueling problem and advice dictates drop your boost to 10psi or you will loose more in your pocket in the long run.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 29, 2009, 10:03PM
fuel pump is next on the list lol:)
how much power would i be looking at (with bigger injectors ,tune etc.) with a t28bb of an s15? i found one in good condition for $550
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 30, 2009, 01:59AM
lmao thought u would post this up.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Big-Garrett-AiResearch-turbo-Trust-Garret-GCG-Blitz_W0QQitemZ120510488160QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Car_Parts_Accessories?hash=item1c0efc1e60

made me giggle lol
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 30, 2009, 08:12PM
i just chucked on a drift Pod filter...sounds quite nice:) bit of a pain to put on ..especially in this heat under the sun..haha
seems like its got a pit more go down low ..or maybe its just the sound thats making it feel like it:P
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Craazy on Dec 30, 2009, 10:25PM
you'll probably find that the car will drop off in power more frequently now you have a pod on it, with opening up the exhaust and intake the bluey SR20 only really likes the exhaust done, you will need to get the AFR's looked at straight away, then determine fuel pump or fuel reg, and spend the $250 on the Nistune board for your car. more than worth it
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Dec 31, 2009, 04:27PM
i might be able to get a gt2871r with an adjustable HKS actuator for $700.. is that a good deal or not?:P  only 2000 k's on it apparently.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Craazy on Jan 1, 2010, 06:27PM
you might wanna spend that cash on the fuel system and nistune before doing the turbo...... the turbo will only make matters worse for you........
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Jan 1, 2010, 06:56PM
yeah im not going to put it on straight away..i just dont want to pass up a good deal.will go on the same time as the fuel upgrades and nistune etc. :)
but yeah $700 sounds pretty good to me. hope it all works out:D
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Jan 2, 2010, 05:01PM
if i was to take the tube that connects to the aftermarket bov,would that disable it? cause i hate the highpitched sound and i dont wnat to take it off as its a pain
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Jan 4, 2010, 12:04PM
????
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Kranzy on Jan 4, 2010, 12:50PM
Should be fine as long as you plumb up the hose.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Jan 4, 2010, 01:24PM
yeah tahts what i was going to do:) also,the lil bit that that hose go's into,should i be blocking that off,would air leak of it if i didnt block that bit off?
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Jan 4, 2010, 02:16PM
i have noticed my car is hesistating at low revs..is this cause of the pod filter? never used to do it..feels a bit rough now lol.
also,when the car is idling,what should my boost gauge be reading? i think its on -25 . i swear it used to be a lil bit more? or maybe im just being paranoid lol. hrrmmm
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: lgee on Jan 4, 2010, 02:45PM
that is not to bad my mate sold his one like that for $900.00 offer him 6 hundie for it, tell him you have to muck around a bit to get it to fit, gonna cost you a few xtra dollars to get it on.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Jan 4, 2010, 05:30PM
well it was origanlly being sold for $1000..i dont think i can get it down anymore lol.. im not sure if im going to get it or not just yet..on working a casual job..depends on the shifts:(
time for a new job i think..these turbo cars are expsensive:P:P
since i have had the pod filter on..it seems to be going through even more petrol.. a full tank JUSt got me 300 kms..and that was before the pod was put on lol
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Craazy on Jan 4, 2010, 08:37PM
you should be getting 400km's +....... get that fuel system looked at. change your fuel filter, put 2 bottles of injector cleaner through, then a fuel pump and if no difference then fuel reg, if still no go then it needs a tuned computer or possibly new injectors. get it looked at or you'll end up loosing a piston
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Jan 5, 2010, 01:52PM
yeah i think its best i get it checked professionally. just dont know where to take it. i recon i would only just get 200 kms to a full tank atm with the pod on there..rediculous. also smells of petrol after driving it
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Craazy on Jan 5, 2010, 04:25PM
try status tuning in dandy, they are getting a good name and they'll do a nistune board for you aswell
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: lgee on Jan 5, 2010, 09:25PM
yes they are good, i was round there tonight talkin to Kat and Trent, but they dont have a 4wd dyno nor does Dr Drift, they can do ur nistune and make it run better but doing a fine dyno tune they cant do, but they can sure sort your car out.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Jan 19, 2010, 12:14AM
you'll probably find that the car will drop off in power more frequently now you have a pod on it, with opening up the exhaust and intake the bluey SR20 only really likes the exhaust done, you will need to get the AFR's looked at straight away, then determine fuel pump or fuel reg, and spend the $250 on the Nistune board for your car. more than worth it

Where can i find the nistune board for $250 :O
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Jono on Jan 19, 2010, 08:30PM
I just read the last 3 pages of this thread...

Removing/blocking the vacuum line to your BOV will allow it to leak. You need to remove it altogether and block all the pipes and flanges to it. This could cause higher fuel consumption and rough running on boost.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Jan 20, 2010, 01:57AM
yeah i noticed it ran really shit with the tube off the bov disconnected( i did put a screw in the tube ) so i connected it back straight away:) i just tightened the bov so it doesnt make the noise at low boost..instead it makes a lil bit of a flutter sound:)
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Craazy on Jan 21, 2010, 01:22PM
what jono means is you need to remove it completely coz it will leak under any boost without the vacuum line attached to stop it from opening, thats how they work.

i got my nistune stuff from nistune, two boards and software for 500 and its less for just the boards without software, since you probably wont need it just get a board pre-loaded with the U13 maps then just get it tuned by someone like status. really easy and cheap
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Jan 29, 2010, 05:11PM
i just went to drive my car..and it wouldnt start:S i drove it 2 hours earlier and started fine..also made a beeping noise thats its never done before..some sort of immobilser maybe?
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Feb 7, 2010, 07:10PM
have any of you guys had any experience with a IHI pe1420 turbo? what sort of power could it make? i hear its very responsive.hrrmm
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Feb 8, 2010, 03:58PM
ok so this may sound retarded..but i just got a consult cable..where bouts is the consult port on the car? lol
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Feb 8, 2010, 05:09PM
ok well it was easy to find lol..i did a data log of my car if anyone is interested.
not quite sure how to post it up though.its a notepad file..anyways,is it normal for the 02 sensor to go crazy? lol it kept moving up and down..also had a fault code 34..( i think it was that? either way it was knock sensor error)
hrrmm
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Craazy on Feb 8, 2010, 06:23PM
yeah the O2 sensor goes crazy at idle, its meant too, and will generally stay stable during normal driving conditions. if it doesnt do that then it is stuffed and could be one of the causes of your problem.

be warned they are hard to find new apart from nissan and they charge an arm and a leg for them.

with the knock sensor issue, this will be why your car will drive like a gutless wonder, 1: the knock sensor if its faulty will put your car into limp home mode (or low octane fuel maps). 2: with the mods you have the car is running lean and causing it to detonate (ping) its ass off and the knock sensor is doing the same as No 1 without being buggered.

turn your boost down to stock, ie. 7 psi, until you either fix the fuelling issue or get the car to a tuner to get it looked at in depth.

it will cost you alot more than just a couple of fiddly parts will if it keeps detonating.

good luck with it mate
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Feb 9, 2010, 07:27PM
yeah i think the knock sensor was from the car pinging. it hasnt been doing that all lately though.. its on 13-14 psi. on the consult software it would say it was running rich when not at full load..then it would say occasionally say lean.

Also here is some of the info from the data log, i didnt know how to attach the notepad document so i just pasted a lil snippet of it :)

RPM,    Timing, Throttle, Air Flow, O2 Sensor, Injector, Duty Cycle
4750,   12        3.38      4.12        0.74          19.03     75
4850,   13        3.66      4.19        0.81          19.57     79
4988,   14        4.02      4.24        0.91          20.38     84
5112,   15        4.12      4.31        1               20.85     88
5288,   15        4.12      4.34        1.05          20.99     92
5338,   16        4.12      4.36        1.09          20.75     92
5475,   18        4.12      4.37        1.12          20.48     93
5712,   18        4.12      4.38        1.15          20.13     95
5800,   20        4.12      4.38        1.17          19.81     95
5975,   22        4.12      4.38        1.19          19.18     95
6112,   24        4.12      4.4          1.2           18.81      95
6275,   24        4.12      4.4          1.21         18.4        96
6300,   25        4.12      4.39        1.22         18.16      95
6462,   26        4.1        4.4         1.23          18.04      97
6562,   27        4.08      4.4         1.24          17.5        95
6712,   27        3.9        4.4         1.24          17.19      96
6762,   27        0.92      4.38       1.23          11.31      63

what you guys make of that? looks confusing to me:)
also does anyone have a IHI pe1420 turbo on the bluey or know of anyone that has one? i hear they are super responsive and i can get one for $750 ( wont go on untill fuel is sorted and nistune etc.)
just wondering how much power they would put out..im hoping for over 180 kws at the wheels atleast:)

Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Feb 9, 2010, 10:43PM
If you uty cycle is in percent, looks like you might be maxing out your injectors. The other values look like voltages, if they are, also looks like the AFM is maxed, same value all the way. And is 27 degrees of timing maybe a bit much? I don't think my car goes that far, and I have dropped the Compression ratio to 8.0.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Craazy on Feb 10, 2010, 07:53PM
by those figures you have maxed out your AFM and your injectors......

i have seen similar figures from mine when i did some data logging before i fixed the fueling issues.
but still drop your boost down and you will find it wont hit those values when you do data logging again, even try it with a range of different boost settings
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Vithy on Feb 12, 2010, 11:07AM
is that normal for someone to be maxing out both the afm and injectors on a stock turbo sr running around double stock boost?

i would of thought it would take a lot more to max out a afm? :S
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Kranzy on Feb 12, 2010, 11:33AM
I'm only running 10psi boost and get very close to maxing out the injectors. Afm I can't remeber how close it got but it's very possible. 
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Feb 12, 2010, 01:43PM
i should try it out with the stock air box on there..but i cant be bothered lol..im getting a nistune daughter board and z32 afm soon..aswell as bigger injectors and fuel pump:) its weird cause sometimes the car pulls really hard..then other times it feels very average..im guessing thats to do with the timing aswell?
oh yeah,im guessing the bluebird as a speed limiter or something..and its around 200 right? will the nistune daughter board remove this ? or do i have to get something else,not that i want to go over 200..but its annoying :)
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Kranzy on Feb 12, 2010, 02:41PM
You can remove that in nistune. Aswell as edit rev limiters etc...
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Feb 12, 2010, 06:24PM
mmm not sure if i would change the rev limit..i feel bad enough whenever i rev it out to 7000..which is rare lol...what do most of u guys with the nistune or whatever else have yours set at? would 7500 be safe? cause im thinking of going that largest of the gt2871r. hrrmmm..so many options lol
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Feb 12, 2010, 08:44PM
I have a GT2871R on mine, rev limit is at 8000 but I have forged pistons and lower compression ratio. Cant recommend that turbo enough, although I went for the 0.64 housing, I think you'd be better off going with the 0.86 like you have said, 20PSI @ 8000RPM, 3rd level of rev limiter sounds mental, and pulls fucking hard.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Feb 13, 2010, 11:59AM
what would u recomend for a stock engine though? 7500 doesnt sound too high.
another retarded question from me....what does the stock ecu look like and where abouts is it? i need to pull it out to send it to get the nistune daughterboard installed :)
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Feb 13, 2010, 09:46PM
It's behind the stereo. You need to pull the stereo out, also take the 2 small interior pieces off the sides, of the console. There's either 2 or 4 10mm bolts holing it in, I can't remember. Also a 10mm bolt holding the big blue plug in the side of it.

7500 should be fine.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Craazy on Feb 14, 2010, 10:54AM
the timing wont really be making your car drive differently as it is locked by the standard ecu, it just switching between maps coz of the pinging.......

standard speed limiter is set at 180kph on all jap imports
rev limiter is 7500rpm standard

you shouldnt have to pull out the stereo to get your ecu out, just pull off the two kick panels either side of the centre console and it should all be able to come out from there.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Feb 14, 2010, 01:56PM
well on mine the rev limiter is on 7000...and at 200 it feels like its hitting the limiter and wont go over it.ok i will have a go at getting the ecu out sometime soon:) thanks guys!! :D
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Feb 15, 2010, 10:24AM
ok so i finaly got the ecu u out. took me over an hour cause i threaded one of the screws and ended up having to take the stereo out to get to it lol.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Feb 15, 2010, 10:59AM
does anyone know where i could get a new mechanism thingy for my electric windows..the front drivers side window has shat its self..the rear one isnt good either!!
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Craazy on Feb 15, 2010, 07:05PM
so you have a speedo in yours that goes to 200kph??
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Feb 15, 2010, 07:25PM
lol 180 ..but it went over 180..bout 1 cm passed it..so close too 200 or a few more or less
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Jono on Feb 15, 2010, 11:17PM
Best place for a window regulator would be the wreckers. AUDM window regs should be the same as JDM.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: noss on Feb 17, 2010, 02:11PM
I'm only running 10psi boost and get very close to maxing out the injectors. Afm I can't remeber how close it got but it's very possible. 

the air flow meter is rated for the equivelent flow that would equate to approx 210hp if that makes sense. they're very easy to max out on  the sr with extra boost.

mmm not sure if i would change the rev limit..i feel bad enough whenever i rev it out to 7000..which is rare lol...what do most of u guys with the nistune or whatever else have yours set at? would 7500 be safe? cause im thinking of going that largest of the gt2871r. hrrmmm..so many options lol

dont raise the rev limit, its not worth it. not unless your motor is built for it. as for the 180km/hr limit, it can be removed with nistune.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Feb 17, 2010, 07:21PM
500 rpm increase doesnt sound like too much though..dont the 200sx's go that high?
i wouldnt raise it unless i had a slighter bigger turbo otherwise there is no point at all lol.
i will probably leave it as it is anyways:)

also,anyone has any experience with aftermarket z32 afm's ?

like this one?
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Aftermarket-Z32-Air-Flow-Meter-AFM-Tomei-Plug_W0QQitemZ380204044084QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Car_Parts_Accessories?hash=item5885ed4f34

would that do the job as good a genuine one?
hrrmmm
pretty cheap
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Feb 18, 2010, 10:25AM
I can't speak for the qaulity of that one, but I only paid $250 for a good condition second hand genuine one. Could possibly not be worth the trouble if it is shit. As long as you also realise that you cant change the AFM without first having the nistune board installed.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Feb 18, 2010, 05:33PM
nistune is being done now as we speak..should get it back on monday:) ordered a walbro fuel pump aswell. now waiting on 700cc injectors and looking for a z32 afm. im assuming i will have to get another adapted for the pod filter? lol anything else i have to do to fit the z32 afm?
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Feb 19, 2010, 03:08PM
Aren't 700's a little big, you might start to lose tunability down low.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Feb 20, 2010, 10:30AM
i heard that size should be perfect.i've decided on a gt2871r turbo. think anything smaller would be close to maxing out, might aswell go bigger and have the headroom. hopefull in a month or so i will have the turbo on there and have it all tuned :) hate the wait!! i want it now!! lol
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Feb 20, 2010, 12:20PM
what trim is your gt2871r ? how much kws are u making at the wheels? i want to get close to 220 kws at the wheels when its all done.might get cams if i hav etoo but that wont be for awhile.
also, does this seem like a good deal?
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Aftermarket-Z32-Air-Flow-Meter-AFM-Tomei-Plug-APEXi-Pod_W0QQitemZ220551770021QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Car_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3359e8efa5

i think i might just go ahead with it and purchase it and hope that it works the same the genuine afm
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Feb 20, 2010, 09:48PM
I cant remember what trim mine is? I think Im making about 220 at the wheels on 20PSI with cams. I have 550CC injectors and they done come near maxing out, you'll get better economy with 550's and it will be slightly easier to tune. 700's are excessive.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Feb 21, 2010, 12:48PM
everyone says different things.but i rather have the headroom incase i want more power in the future.
ok on a different note..where the hell is the fuel pump located lol...i thought it was under the back seat..i took the seat out and all i see is nothingggggggg lol. was taking it out anyways cause im finaly putting my subs in from my old car in there..oh and another question..what do u use to feed the wires through to  boot? hrrmmff pain in the ass :)
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: lgee on Feb 21, 2010, 12:59PM
the fuel pump is inside the tank on a shit of an angle in a braket that is a pain in the arse to get open, i swapped mine out for a walbro what a pain, enjoy
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Feb 21, 2010, 11:00PM
lol someone told me u could access it from under the backseat..how annoyinggg..does this mean i gotta empty the tank first? hrmmffff lol
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: KA24ET on Feb 22, 2010, 06:46AM
Nothing wrong with 700cc injectors. If ur using nistune u can change the pulse width and u wont loose any tuneability. thye just run very low duty cycle at low power.
Sr's will run 20psi on 98 fuel all day everyday revving to 7500 stock as a rock. Just need a good cooler, Engines are tough as, especially the GTir. Cams are good for 30 ish KW!!  Either turbo u mentioned will flow enough to get ur desired power... the housing will really determine when the turbo come ons. stock cams, small housing. Aftermarket, you can go the bigger housing. Prob wont have boost till 3500-3750ish on the bigger housing. But if its pulling to 7500- and hittin the soft limiter... thats prob fine!
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Feb 22, 2010, 06:06PM
i was thinking the bigger housing personally. GOOD NEWS..i got my ecu back with the nistune..found out my car was actualy limited at 200 like i said ..not sure why it was at 200..but i took it off and took it for a test and it definately took the limiter off..and now i have no desire to go that fast ever again unless on a track.lol. also set the rev limiter too 7200 ..no real reason..not actualy planning to rev it that much anyways lol.
still waiting on injectors and z32 afm..nto sure where to get that after marked afm or not..hrrmm
oh yeah i also noticed something after putting the ecu u back in..throttle sensor error code came up which i have never had before..what could of caused that?
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: KA24ET on Feb 22, 2010, 06:18PM
Are u viewing the ecu though data scan??
Be very careful buying a AFM 2nd hand. AFM's are PERRISHABLE items!!! And your whole tune is based upon what the sensor says....!!
Z32 Maf are notoriously touchy. If previous owner used an oil bath filter, ruins the AFM. Cant mount them too close to turbo. Need nice straight flowing intake pipes...
U can buy a new one for 300.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Feb 22, 2010, 07:15PM
where do i get intake pipes from? or do i have to have them made..and the ones im looking at are brand new..but arent the genuine brand. but are supposed to be basically the same..mmmm my car is running really rough..in 2nd gear it keeps cutting out around around 2500 rpm..has never done it before..might check the errors now after that drive
hrrmm really need a tune i guess. but i dont want to get it done before the turbo go's on..i think im just going to have to finaly wind the boost alllll the way down and baby it completely or just not drive it lol
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: KA24ET on Feb 22, 2010, 07:40PM
When i ran nistune, i made my intake pipe. Bought the turbo snorkel. Matched the size to silicon. bought some three inch pipe. welded in the IAC and Crankcase breather and got the pod filter adapter to suit 3 inch pipe. AFM bolted to pod ,one more piece of silicon and it was done

I know the AFM you referring to and they are fine.

Who installed your board?
sounds like a dodgy solder... u could remove the jumper, it would revert to old maps on ecu and if that fixs problem get the board fixed...
Tune wont fix a dodgy board install


Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Feb 22, 2010, 07:50PM
i sent it into the guy who sells the nistune boards lol..so u recon its faulty? hrmm i will give him an email
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Feb 22, 2010, 07:55PM
PS..making an intake pipe sounds to tricky for me:P im not very crafty haha, but me wants one please!! lol does it make it flutter any louder?:D
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Feb 22, 2010, 08:32PM
im talking to the guy now..he doesnt know what could be causing it..could i have changed something with the nistune software possibly? if so..how do i just reset it back to how it was?
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Kranzy on Feb 22, 2010, 11:25PM
Is it fine when boosting?

If it is i dare say its your knock sensor playing up.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Feb 23, 2010, 10:46AM
im not getting knock sensor error anymore,its the throttle sensor now. i tightened the plug on the ecu even tighter and it hasnt done it since,the guy said it the sides of the plug might not have been in properly. so hoping it was that since it hasnt done it since i tightened it:)
hrmm not looking forward to doing the fuel pump this w/e lol. ordering the z32 afm with an apexi podfiter for $299 off ebay. now just waiting on the 700 cc injectors
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: KA24ET on Feb 23, 2010, 11:35AM
U can pull the jumper off the board.
Sometimes the images can be corrupt on the daughter boards.
Your tuner will sort that out..
But a TPS code?
weird...
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Feb 23, 2010, 02:25PM
yeah i thoughtit was weird..it hasnt done it since though..hopefully its fixed its self..lol.. im getting it tuned in around 2 months hopefully, need to know a good place in melbourne with a 4wd dyno that doesnt charge an arm and a leg lol
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: lgee on Feb 24, 2010, 04:05PM
need to know a good place in melbourne with a 4wd dyno that doesnt charge an arm and a leg lol

HA HA HA HA HA, when you find it let me know.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Feb 24, 2010, 08:37PM
haha will do:p
those injectors ready yet?:P:P:P
mm i spent the last 2 and a half hours trying to install my subs.got all the chords through ( pain in the ass ) got it all hooked up,and the power wasnt coming on for the amp :S i dont know what the hell is going on..it looks right to me. any ideas? lol i will check the fuses tomorrow.but i dont think it was that. hrrmmm
anyone in melbourne know what there doing and wanna gimme a hand lol..all the hard work is done:) just troubleshooting..k thanks:P
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: lgee on Feb 25, 2010, 08:48PM
have you hooked up the trigger wire from the head unit to the amps???
Still no news on the injectors, i could prob get you a set of s15 440cc for $200 or do you just wanna wait.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Feb 26, 2010, 09:53PM
i have no idea what a triger wire is or what it does?? lol that could explain why its not working LOL
and for the injectors..i'll just wait cause im not upgrading turbo;s for another month or so and its only going to 86% duty cycle now..which probs still isnt good but better then 97% it was getting lol
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: KA24ET on Feb 27, 2010, 06:36AM
Trigger wire is another term used for the Remote wire
Typically its a pale blue colour in the same loom of wires as all the power wires are on the back of the head unit.
It requires a 12v ignition source.As in it only has power when the keys are on. This supplies a signal to the amplifier to turn on and off.
This remote is usually run with ur RCA leads as the originate and terminate at the same spot.
Some people will argue that any power source near the Rca's can cause interference. The remote draws less that 1 amp. If u have well shielded RCA leads, it wont be a problem.
On your Sub amp, you will have the 12v Ground and usually a third termination point. Thats typically the remote. There are usually separate front the speaker outputs
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Mackdaddy on Feb 27, 2010, 11:14AM
Ref your other thread:

...

Amps should also have a remote input. This one only needs a small gauge wire coming off 12v accessories or the remote output on your headunit if it has one. This lets the amp power up only when it need to be... when your headunit is on to make some music.

Without this signal the amp wont turn on at all.

I ran into this issue once, the wire we ran for the remote input must have been damaged somewhere as it was only showing ~2V at the amp end so the amp wasn't turning on. We ran a new wire and all was sweet. Bass for the masses :p

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44/warped_youth/diagram.jpg)



Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Feb 27, 2010, 01:38PM
i got it hooked up..thanks guy..sounds shit though lol..it sounded good at the start..then when i put all the interior back on..it has hardly any bass..i think its some interferance in the rca cables maybe..ehh..im probably just gonna get a single 12" sub instead and get it hooked up by a pro lol
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: pedro666 on Feb 27, 2010, 11:33PM
if you have 2 subs, some head units are selectable between 2 & 1 sub, i know mine does cause i recently had to read the manual....lol
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Jono on Feb 28, 2010, 02:25AM
i got it hooked up..thanks guy..sounds shit though lol..it sounded good at the start..then when i put all the interior back on..it has hardly any bass..i think its some interferance in the rca cables maybe..ehh..im probably just gonna get a single 12" sub instead and get it hooked up by a pro lol

So you have more than one sub? They should be a matching pair.

Check that they're in phase. I.e. correct polarity.

Try turning the box around, or moving it to a different spot in the boot.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Feb 28, 2010, 09:51AM
i was moving it around in the boot..couldnt get it to sound the same when it sounded decent..and there matching subs .its a custom 2 10" sub box from my old car..came with it. i dont really want 2 subs anyways..too heavy. and my head unit doesnt come up with and options for the sub like my other head unit! might have to get a new head unit or swap them over ( other head unit doesnt play mp3 )
hrmmffff lol
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Mar 11, 2010, 08:05PM
ok so i have pretty much come to a decision regarding turbos...
a GT3071r with a .64 rear housing. has anyone on here have one on there bluebird? will it even fit?
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Mar 12, 2010, 09:47AM
The 30 size housing is a bit big, will have difficulty fitting it. And with the .64 rear you will find it gets choked higher in the revs, if I had a chance to pick another turbo, I'd go with 2871R with .86 rear or possibly even the 2876R. The 30 would be nice, but very difficult to fit as it wont fit between the block and the radiator fans. And unless your pushing 25+ PSI it's probably too big anyway.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Mar 12, 2010, 12:25PM
i been reading up on the silvia forums. the majority of people on there say .86 is a waste unless ur constantly in high revs...which isnt really practical.  most say the gt3071r with the .64 rear housing has simular response to the gt2871r but makes slightly more power. sounds liike a plan to me lol. i rarely go over 6000 rpm anyways.
i have the gti-r manifold already, i have heard of gti-r's with the same turbo. so im hoping it would just fit. but i also hear that this turbo is better with an external gate. im not really familuar with how they work.. and i would be guessing it owuld be even harder to fit in with the bigger turbo?

Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Mar 15, 2010, 01:46PM
I'm almost 100% confident the 30 housing wont fit, the 28 just scrapes it in with a GTIR manifold. If your not revving past 6000 RPM, then you arent going to notice the bigger turbo, only more lag. 2871 will give you 200kW at the wheels, why go bigger?
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Craazy on Mar 15, 2010, 03:14PM
i'd agree with luke here, very laggy turbo in comparison to the 28.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Mar 15, 2010, 05:29PM
apparently the gt3071r with the .64 rear is very simular in terms of lag.. and im trying to get as close as i can to 220kws :)
but yeah the bigger turbo sounds like to much hassle with the external wastegate etc. i guess which ever one i find first 2nd hand will be the one . anyone know someone thats selling a gt2871r 52-56 trim with .64 housing ?
also, im asuming it would be a good idea to get a new dump pipe.. where do i get one made, and roughly how much will it cost?
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Mar 16, 2010, 09:04AM
I don't think your reading my posts, 30 wont fit!! Yes it wont be much laggier, but it restricts the exhaust the same, so it wont make much more power either. I have the 2871R with 220 at the wheels, it is the right size turbo.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Mar 17, 2010, 06:09AM
i was reading them lol..tahts why i said i will probably go the same turbo as yours cause its too much effort trying to fit a gt3071r with and external wastegate etc.
i have found a gt2871r in 52 trim with .64 rear housing for $1100 with only 1500 kms..if its not sold i will buy it today:)
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Mar 18, 2010, 05:52PM
dont suppose you want to sell ur turbo Luke?
lol the guy on the ns.com is being a wanker so he has lost a sale now.
guess the hunt for a turbo still continues:(
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Mar 19, 2010, 05:47PM
ok now i have changed mind completely and decided to actualy go with a hypergear ATR28 G2 turbo..unsure which rear housing just yet. i been told the newer hypergear turbos are actualy quite good..not quite as responsive as a gt2871r but will put ou around the same power. its a sleave bearing turbo so wont spool as quick i would assume..but i been quoted for $1300 including having it fitted on site and 12 month warranty.
ok my question is, where can i get a 3" dump pipe? would i be better off getting that same time as getting the turbo fitted?
or just get it done sometime after?
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Mar 22, 2010, 09:02AM
Don't be a stinge, if you cant afford a decent turbo, wait until you can. Fit the dump pipe at the same time as the turbo, as it's fairly dificult to get it all in there. Check my build thread about dump pipes, I cant remember where I got it now.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Mar 22, 2010, 06:59PM
i heard good things about the new hypergear turbos..although the older ones were pretty average apparently. hrmm all at the same time. link to this build thread please..im sick of going through posts lol..too tired
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Mar 30, 2010, 05:00PM
ok another question..
whats a good oil product and and oil filter to use?
thinks its time for a service i recon:)
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Vithy on Mar 30, 2010, 05:56PM
depends on ur budget really and ur opinions

I run motul 4100 turbo light and havent had any issues with it

Filter a ryco one would be fine, Kn dont make filters for our cars to my knowledge and Drift Sr filters dont fit on our cars coz of the magnet inside which is a  shame coz the filter is in a fucking gay spot on our cars to change and the nut on the end would make it soooooo much easier

Apparently the nissan oil is pretty good someone was telling me that in a magazine it won a competition im yet to read the article tho.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Mar 30, 2010, 08:16PM
well i dont want to pay TOO much..but i also dont want shitty oil lol. how much do the motul oils go for normally? im assuming u get them from autobarn or somewhere simular?:)
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: lgee on Mar 30, 2010, 10:36PM


 Drift Sr filters dont fit on our cars coz of the magnet inside which is a  shame coz the filter is in a fucking gay spot on our cars to change and the nut on the end would make it soooooo much easier
drift also do a FWD SR oil filter but i would not use it it still hits the magnet and will cause the "O" ring to blow out and empty your sump in a about 5 sec, ask my last engine i had one of the prototype FWD filters on my car and it let go, fukd my engine. i have photos somewhere of the filter.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Mar 31, 2010, 03:07PM
I've ran Nissan 7.5W30 since my engine was rebuilt and never had an issue. It's cheap and good, probably should run it in my mazda too.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Vithy on Mar 31, 2010, 04:59PM
well i dont want to pay TOO much..but i also dont want shitty oil lol. how much do the motul oils go for normally? im assuming u get them from autobarn or somewhere simular?:)

The motul oil i spoke of is about $60 ish for a 5lt bottle
The nissan oil is $30 odd a bottle by memory (correct me if im wrong)

The way i look at it is, if u go out and buy a performance car u might aswell buy decent performance oil aswell if u cant be fucked buying slightly more expensive oil then dont waste a perfectly good car, it shit me when ppl buy nice cars and then buy shit oil.. but hey ever man to their own opinion. And dont take it as a stab at u or anything coz its not its just a general feeling and i have mates who imo have done wat ive just said.

drift also do a FWD SR oil filter but i would not use it it still hits the magnet and will cause the "O" ring to blow out and empty your sump in a about 5 sec, ask my last engine i had one of the prototype FWD filters on my car and it let go, fukd my engine. i have photos somewhere of the filter.

GAYYYYYYY!!!
oil filter relocation kit looks like a win then :S
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Mar 31, 2010, 05:26PM
lol i didnt mean like $20  oild.. $60 is cheap in my eyes?
lol i would never use crappy oil ever..even in my old ford laser i used decent oil :p
where can i get this nissan oil from? i heard good things also about there oil
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: lgee on Mar 31, 2010, 08:49PM
where can i get this nissan oil from? i heard good things also about there oil

You could try nissan spare parts for that nissan oil, be a good first place to check, when you go into nissan for service they use castrol or halvoline, spoke to the guy at dandenong nissan today. I found when i used Motul turbolite it used the oil it didnt blow smoke or leak anywhere but it did use it, i think it was maybe a bit light and burned in the turbo but i could be wrong.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Apr 12, 2010, 12:22AM
ok guys so i have come to final decision..definately going gt2871r 52 trim.. not sure on the rear housing size though yet.
bought an AM performance dump pipe with screamer pipe ( yes im aware its possibly an idiotic thing to do but oh well)
wanting to know if this is the right oil and water line kit to get

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Nissan-Sunny-Pulsar-GTIR-SR20DET-Turbo-Oil-Water-Line_W0QQitemZ270548871767QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Car_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3efdf82a57

thanks boys:)
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: JelloBello on Apr 12, 2010, 04:48PM
Looks very universal and full of banjo bolts to me. Also one of the water lines won't go on (feed i think) as it has to clamp onto a barb. Still I guess it may fit on.

This is what I have: http://www.gktech.com.au/front.asp?pid=11&ProductID=S13S-LINE

Fits perfectly.

 
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Apr 12, 2010, 09:15PM
If you don't change the manifold, all the oil and water line's mount up exactly the same. Even if you do go with the GTiR manifold, 3/4 lines still fit. You just need to shorten the oil drain.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Apr 12, 2010, 11:28PM
well i have no idea what im doing really...i guess i will learn as i have a go at it...if anyone in melbourne wants to guide me in the install feel free:)
i will be using a gti-r manifold:) hopefully the dump pipe connects up with no hassles aswell:)
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Apr 13, 2010, 10:37PM
It should, but you will have to make a new front for your exhaust, good luck with the screamer too, possible the stupidest thing you coulkd ever have on a road car.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Apr 13, 2010, 11:37PM
lol im aware of my stupidity with the screamer pipe..i just wanna see what its like:) if i get done for it or sick of it..i will replace it with a split dump pipe :)
ok i just ordered a z32 afm with an apexi power intake pod.
im looking at injectors.
will NISMO 550 cc yellow top injectors go in without any hassle? i can get them brand new for $450 including delivery
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Apr 15, 2010, 10:08PM
im not sure if i have asked this already or not..but looking for a short shifter

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NISSAN-SHORT-QUICK-SHIFTER-PULSAR-EXA-NXR-GTI-R-MICRA_W0QQitemZ380213362448QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Car_Parts_Accessories?hash=item58867b7f10

does anyone on here have that short shifter? is it easy to install? and does it have everything needed to fit it?

any pics of an install of a short shifter would be awesome:)

thanks guys:)
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Craazy on Apr 16, 2010, 07:13PM
they dont fit blueys mate
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Apr 17, 2010, 02:56AM
ahh lame i thought it would of been simular to the gti-r.. dont they share basically the same gearbox.
oh well no biggie
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Apr 17, 2010, 03:18PM
somehow one of the leads came off the dizzy cap last night when i was driving..i had no idea what was going on..car had no power and kept stuttering..i was only 3 ks from home so i drove as slow as i could to get home..opened the bonnet and it was sparking up where the lead had come out..put it back in (turned car off first lol) im pretty sure its back to normal..but could it have caused any damage?
and how the hell would it have come off:S
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Apr 17, 2010, 04:11PM
also can anyone confirm that u can access the fuel pump from inside the boot?
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Craazy on Apr 17, 2010, 10:15PM
yeah the pivot balls are different sizes on the shifter, best thing would be to get one made up by a machine shop, thats the direction im going to get the shifter in mine done.

bad luck with the lead, doesnt sound like it would have done any damage if your not having any dramas with it now.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Apr 18, 2010, 08:43AM
Yeah, you can get to the pump from in the boot.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Apr 18, 2010, 02:02PM
thought so:) well that shouldnt be too hard to change the fuel pump..i had it lying around for awhile lol.
nearly have my hands on a GT2871r with .86 rear housing:)

ok another most likely retarded question...im still looking for injectors.

do these seem ok?

http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=438937

im doubting the fuel rail will fit on our cars? but what would i know :)
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Apr 18, 2010, 09:56PM
Just buy injectors, that's all un-nessisary wank
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Apr 18, 2010, 11:00PM
yeah i know..im looking for a cheap set of nismo injectors.. im waiting on a guy thats taking them off his silvia but he is taking is his sweet ass time. so im looking at other options also.
what other injectors will go straight in without any mods to the fuel rail or anything else? what are most of u guys running?
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Apr 21, 2010, 06:46PM
mm i think im gonna have to get a new boost controller..i went for a drive today..and it was only hitting 9 psi..and it took me ages to get it set perfect at 14 psi ( was running awesome!!) could it just be the change in weather that effects the boost controller? mmm seems dodgy to me. i wanted to wind it up back to 14..but i dont know if it will go up more when its hotter.

so question is.. what boost controllers are u guys running? i dont really want to spend more then $300 for one..i dont mind 2nd hand either ;)
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Apr 21, 2010, 08:06PM
Jaycar boost controller kit, it's a bit hard to program, but once you sort it out it's sweet.  Remember, half the stuff you can buy for turbo cars is tacked on wank factor, do your research, you will find either a ball bearing T valve or a jaycar boost controller are all you ever need.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Apr 21, 2010, 08:36PM
i do have a t bar ball bearing unit atm.. turbotech one... but it seems to change depending on the weather for some reason. that why i was thinking ebc. or maybe the thing has come loose..its too dark to check now..pain in the ass..had it running real good lol
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Apr 21, 2010, 08:43PM
you know what...it actualy was loose lmao.. but it does change slightly in different temperatures though :) lol
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Craazy on Apr 22, 2010, 07:09PM
ambient temp will effect how your car runs. colder it will run better than hot as it is denser air and a cooler charged temp.

hot temp every car runs with alot less power
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Apr 22, 2010, 07:41PM
yeah i know that..but it seems as though the boost changes..not just the power. this morning though when it was cold it did actualy feel quicker :D

i have just come accross a HKS gt-rs turbo t2 with .64 rear housing... guy recons its got bout 10,000 kms on it and very minimal shaft play.. $1,400.. what u guys recon? im pretty confident in going through with it as i hear these are the shit. have seen a few dyno readings with these on.

sound like a good idea ? lol :D
comes with a 14psi hks(1bar actuator) pod snorkle adaptor,and braided lines

Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Craazy on Apr 22, 2010, 09:07PM
the gt-rs are rated at 400ps or 394hp of flow at 13psi so they are bloody good for there size. and there lag is the same as standard apparently so if you get it it would be a good investment and i would be interested to see how it goes coz im looking at the same one as a tester for me
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: JelloBello on Apr 23, 2010, 01:02PM
For 1400 I'd be getting a brand spanking new gt2871r. But that's just me.

The gt-rs is a solid unit, in fact I'm sure the gt2871r is modeled off it. Also nice that it's comes with actuator and lines.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Apr 27, 2010, 05:00PM
hey guys..the guy didnt get back to me and sold the turbo to someone else.
but on another note..my gearbox is making weird noises!!first i thought it was coming from the engine.but if i put the clutch all the way down the rattling noise go's away.and in 2nd it makings a whizzing sort of noise. maybe i need more oil in the gearbox or something? also noticed that going from 4th to 3rd with clutch all the way down it makes a bt of a crunchng sound like the clutch isnt disengaging fully.
hrrmmff im so annoyed with this car now!! lol thinking of selling and getting a silvia or something with a stronger bloody gearbox lol
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Budgie on Apr 27, 2010, 06:21PM
Its not the gearbox's fault mate... its the driver!

Unless its the input shaft bearing, because thats a common U12/U13/GTiR issue.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Apr 27, 2010, 06:58PM
I'll second that, gearbox is no where near as weak as is commonly believed. Have been putting 220+ kW through mine for years.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Apr 27, 2010, 07:01PM
mmm maybe. but i never launch it hard and im pretty gentle changing gears also.never had gearbox issues with my last car lol
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Apr 27, 2010, 07:02PM
the gearbox isnt notchy at all..it always go;s into gear ( i never miss gears at all )
it just sounds a bit rattly..mostly on idle and lower in the rev range.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Apr 27, 2010, 07:08PM
Maybe it's the thrust bearing, or the clutch.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Apr 27, 2010, 07:15PM
mm yeah im assuming input shaft bearings or something. im assuming gearbox out job? might leave it to a mechanic..and i guess that wouldnt be an easy job so could be looking at decent cash being put into this..lame!! lol
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Luke on Apr 27, 2010, 07:16PM
How about you try to figure out what it is first.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on Apr 27, 2010, 07:37PM
i have been looking it up. it most likely is the input shaft bearing. looked on youtube of videos also and lots of people have simular problems..when clutch is not engaged the sound go's away.
i have no idea how to fix this and it requires the gearbox to come out lol.
might try gearbox oil and see if the sound go's away first though.
but then again..how do i go about changing gearbox oil? i know service the car..but never done gearbox lol. i shall look it up also :)
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Craazy on Apr 27, 2010, 09:21PM
input shaft/thrust bearing/clutch

any of those is a likely candidate from the abuse. any way you look at it the gearbox is coming off
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on May 14, 2010, 05:10PM
finaly taking my car to a mechanic tomorrow. to get to the gearbox does the engine have to come out aswell? think i remember seeing that somewhere.
just dont wanna get ripppppppped off :)
is there anything else i should have checked or done while engine ( if it needs to ) and gearbox are out?
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Craazy on May 14, 2010, 09:30PM
yeah the whole lot needs to come out to get at it all unfortunately.....

sucks for us AWDr's

just give all the hoses under the manifold a good look over to make sure they're good, or you might have a pain of a time later if you blow a hose when its all back together.

good luck with it all
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on May 21, 2010, 03:51PM
just a quick question..how much do u think it should cost to have input shaft bearings replaced in a gearbox..including labour.anyone on here had it done?
hopefully the clutch is still good. i got quoted between $1,500-$2,500 :S  sound about right? lol once its fixed i think im gonna have to put it up for sale lol dont want more issues with the gearbox
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Craazy on May 21, 2010, 04:23PM
$1000 Max
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on May 22, 2010, 12:10PM
so $1000 including labour and replacing bearings.. hrrmmf righto i think im gonna tell him to shove it up his ass then haha. its my dads mechanic. supposed to be cheaper since he is my dads mate..knew he was dodgy lol
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on May 22, 2010, 12:30PM
anyone in melbourne have any suggestions where i should take it?
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Craazy on May 22, 2010, 08:01PM
hmmm i've got a mate that is a mech, he works around lilydale/bayswater though

he is doing all the work on my bluey, its in pieces at his place now but he is bloody good, if you want his number PM me and i'll get it to you

otherwise try around the traps in your area, but it is hard to find anyone who knows the car
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: Budgie on May 22, 2010, 08:03PM
north geelong gearboxes rebuilt my GTiR gearbox, new bearings, syncro's and seals ... paid more than I should have but it was 1k
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on May 23, 2010, 05:04PM
oh nice!! much cheaper then i originally though. geelong is too far for me..but atleast i know now that i should be looking for a new mechanic lmao
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: lgee on May 23, 2010, 05:59PM
Gerry from Autopuls in dandenong is a gtir specialist, he has rebuilt hundreds of these boxes and i think he will do a great job.
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: S1NN3R on May 23, 2010, 07:15PM
dandenong is pretty close by..will have a look into that!! thanks dude:)
Title: Re: Gti-r turbo on a bluebird Atessa
Post by: 573LF on Feb 8, 2011, 10:56PM
this is quite a late reply but avo in cheltenham do everything. they have a 4wd dyno, they specialise in turbos, they can hi-flow your existing injectors (rather than forking out for aftermarket ones) etc. etc. they are better value than hpf who seem to prefer big-spenders in new cars.

i live in dandenong and look forward to checking out chequered tuning and autopuls after hearing about them on these forums, however cheltenham is not too much of a hike for the 4wd tuning and good general knowledge of avo turboworld. hpf didn't know how to tune my ems and then charged me for a few hours on their dyno despite not tuning the car. and since the guys at avo pulled my car apart and went over it with a fine-tooth comb, they are pretty familiar with the attesas now. tell them Richard sent you and maybe it will help with a good deal (?).

to be fair to hpf, they did do a very thorough job when it came to doing a roadworthy check, including wanting me to remove the oil catch can and sandblast my windscreen in the long list.

i'm also looking into new turbos... will keep you posted re my findings however i'm loving the sound of those chinese 2871's... rough price estimate?

and regarding dump pipe... seeing you're after the best, go for the CES racing dump pipe... fits with a minor mod: one inch of extra pipe welded on to clear the sump. expect to put a grand aside for that...