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Who would you prefer as Prime Minister

Little Johnnie
Kev'
Bob
Pete
Jtas?
Noss!
Pringles!
Kranzy!

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The election poll
« on: Oct 17, 2007, 02:52PM »
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Re: The election poll
« Reply #1 on: Oct 17, 2007, 03:10PM »
You need an 'other' option. They're all as bad as each other arn't they?

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Re: The election poll
« Reply #2 on: Oct 17, 2007, 03:13PM »
To help you decide which party is for you:

http://www.news.com.au/feature/0,,5012863,00.html

And a better but longer one:

http://www.ozpolitics.info/guide/fun/politics-test/
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Re: The election poll
« Reply #3 on: Oct 17, 2007, 03:45PM »
You need an 'other' option. They're all as bad as each other arn't they?

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« Reply #4 on: Oct 17, 2007, 04:53PM »
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Re: The election poll
« Reply #5 on: Oct 17, 2007, 05:01PM »
Well i normally vote for Mr Donkey, cos i really couldn't care less and to me, voting is a waste of time...

Barely any of them do as they promise, so i don't really see the point... That's my opinion anyways, and i'm certainly not dissing anyone who does value their vote, it's just not my cup of tea.

Although in saying that, if one of the politicians were to promise to take GST away, then me being an accountant, i would consider voting properly as my life without GST would be a hell of a lot more simple at work. Hmm or perhaps even more unrealistically, if they offer to pay me a bonus for not having kids for the sake of milking the system or dole bludging or mis-using taxpayers money, but for being a hard working citizen who pays a crap-load of tax, then again i'd consider it.

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Re: The election poll
« Reply #6 on: Oct 17, 2007, 05:22PM »
Vote 1 Noss FTW!

Someone driving a nice pintara would be better (and hopefully more down to earth) than lil Johnny. Does this mean we would have to create an ANTRX party? I favour just the party bit and no politics  ;)
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Re: The election poll
« Reply #7 on: Oct 17, 2007, 05:29PM »
ANTRX political policies...lol imagine that.

Noss in Parliment announcing, "Mr Speaker as part of the ANTRX Party's long standing committment to Nissans we announce a Federally funded package to further research in ANTRX STAGE 3 chips..." ;D
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Re: The election poll
« Reply #8 on: Oct 17, 2007, 05:51PM »
Noss in Parliment announcing, "Mr Speaker as part of the ANTRX Party's long standing committment to Nissans we announce a Federally funded package to further research in ANTRX STAGE 3 chips..." ;D

And then, goes and spends half the federal budget on importing U12's and other JDM parts for his pinny  :D

He'd also be able to undo those gay import laws they introduced!  ;)
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Re: The election poll
« Reply #9 on: Oct 17, 2007, 05:58PM »
And then goes and spends half the federal budget on importing U12's and other JDM parts for his pinny  :D

Then he would be able to undo those gay import laws they introduced!  ;)


Lol yeah next thing you know there's an inquiry into ANTRX corruption and Noss does a Christopker Skase... ;D
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Re: The election poll
« Reply #10 on: Oct 17, 2007, 07:23PM »
I really dont care too much, although, my family has always voted labor (except my mum, who votes for the demicrats, which is a waste of a vote anyway) so ill just be voteing for Krudd

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Re: The election poll
« Reply #11 on: Oct 17, 2007, 07:35PM »
I'm seriously having trouble deciding on my actual vote (I voted for noss in this poll, because he once bought me lunch).

I think howard is to old now, but I don't want labour to come back into power and fuck everything up again!  I want more defense spending, more money for people like teachers and nurses and cops (government workers).  But I don't think the super rich people need a further tax break... like howard has outlined.

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Re: The election poll
« Reply #12 on: Oct 17, 2007, 10:31PM »
Thanks guys, your support is overwhelming!  :o

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Re: The election poll
« Reply #13 on: Oct 17, 2007, 10:35PM »
Thanks guys, your support is overwhelming!  :o

ROFL. Nice one mate!   :D
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Re: The election poll
« Reply #14 on: Oct 17, 2007, 10:35PM »
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Re: The election poll
« Reply #15 on: Oct 17, 2007, 11:36PM »
Australian elections are not traditionally a choice of which is the better party, rather the you pick the lessor of two evils.

And IMO theres no real point in voting for any of the smaller parties as they will never get to lead the country and their preferences go to either labor or liberal anyway.

Ill be interested t see how things unfold, id say that liberals trump card will be a massive environmental spend up and labor will continue to harp on about how unfair the workplace reforms have been, matching most things liberal say and generally making cheap promises to buy votes.

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Re: The election poll
« Reply #16 on: Oct 18, 2007, 12:35AM »
Im in the same boat as Stick, my parents both vote for Labor, so thats where id be going.\

But, while learning Year 12 Economics, i learnt one thing i will always remember. Facts show that currently John Howard has us in an excellent economic position, and history shows that Labor increases *I THINK Government Spending*, and currently a further increase in this area will destroy the economy. In simple words, massive downturn, worst possible scenario i.e. Depression once again. Dont quote me on this though, but i *think* its right.

In plain english, if Labor get in, it is bad news according to history. Very bad news.
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Re: The election poll
« Reply #17 on: Oct 18, 2007, 03:06AM »
Im in the same boat as Stick, my parents both vote for Labor, so thats where id be going.\

But, while learning Year 12 Economics, i learnt one thing i will always remember. Facts show that currently John Howard has us in an excellent economic position, and history shows that Labor increases *I THINK Government Spending*, and currently a further increase in this area will destroy the economy. In simple words, massive downturn, worst possible scenario i.e. Depression once again. Dont quote me on this though, but i *think* its right.

In plain english, if Labor get in, it is bad news according to history. Very bad news.

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Re: The election poll
« Reply #18 on: Oct 18, 2007, 03:25AM »
I call a rigged poll!  :D lol. Corruption is entering the ANTRX party already...
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Re: The election poll
« Reply #19 on: Oct 18, 2007, 09:17AM »
I will be voting for liberal, purely because the economy is absolutely booming and there is nobody in this country that is going without (other then by choice/lifestyle decissions). From what im told labour will give alot of the government budget to dole bludgers/scozzers/wimen that just have children for cash.
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Re: The election poll
« Reply #20 on: Oct 18, 2007, 12:13PM »
And IMO theres no real point in voting for any of the smaller parties as they will never get to lead the country and their preferences go to either labor or liberal anyway.

My dad thinks like this.  I don't like it, it's a fatalist way to think: you think that voting for the small parties doesn't make a difference so you vote for the big party and make it so that the smaller parties don't get votes so they can't make a difference.  It's a silly way to use your democracy.

Cmon Narxysus, im sure you have something to say about things already ;)

At the risk of being called a hypocrite, I am going to state that I will be voting for the Dems or failing that, the Greens.  I have in the past stated my preference for Liberal, but I've realised that although they do do a great job economically, my personal life is not that affected by a booming economy.  I'm real tight, don't spend much at all, and don't have any dreams of immense wealth, so in light of that I'm going to vote for a party that does not put the economy in front of all other concerns.

Also, I am basing my decision purely on policy, as I really don't care about individual politicians.  This is what I think is important - vote for the party that most closely aligns with your own values.

Im in the same boat as Stick, my parents both vote for Labor, so thats where id be going.\

But, while learning Year 12 Economics, i learnt one thing i will always remember. Facts show that currently John Howard has us in an excellent economic position, and history shows that Labor increases *I THINK Government Spending*, and currently a further increase in this area will destroy the economy. In simple words, massive downturn, worst possible scenario i.e. Depression once again. Dont quote me on this though, but i *think* its right.

In plain english, if Labor get in, it is bad news according to history. Very bad news.

Government spending alone will not destroy the economy.  It helps employ people, so they have money to spend, which props up the economy.  It's called Keynesian macroeconomics.  I don't know what it is that Labour do to destroy the economy, but it isn't government spending alone.

Also, do you folks think it's right to compare labour of +10 years ago to Labour of today?  Or any party, for that matter?  I think it's dumb to base your predictions on the past party when the social environment and party makeup have changed so drastically over such a long time.
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Re: The election poll
« Reply #21 on: Oct 18, 2007, 12:21PM »
I will be voting for liberal, purely because the economy is absolutely booming and there is nobody in this country that is going without (other then by choice/lifestyle decissions). From what im told labour will give alot of the government budget to dole bludgers/scozzers/wimen that just have children for cash.

err but.. howard introduced the $3000 for babies.. and so he's the one throwing money at girls having kids for cash. the liberal government has also made it harder for families to get 'child allowance' over the years, lowering the  thresholds (i.e. the closer you get to $xx the less you get and if you earn over $xx you dont get it at all) and also reducing the amount families get from this allowance.. so the people that actually need some assistance dont get it, and all the less desirables, dole bludgers whatevers, they get the cash every time.

why do people base opinions on what others tell them, or the rubbish bloody propaganda that circulates letterboxes rather than facts?

i personally think there should be some kind of law passed that doesnt allow one party to slag off of other political parties during election time as part of their campaign. its pathetic scare tactics to win votes.. political parties should tell you their strengths and policies rather than 'oh this guy in the other party picks his nose and eats it'

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Re: The election poll
« Reply #22 on: Oct 18, 2007, 12:27PM »
i personally think there should be some kind of law passed that doesnt allow one party to slag off of other political parties during election time as part of their campaign. its pathetic scare tactics to win votes.. political parties should tell you their strengths and policies rather than 'oh this guy in the other party picks his nose and eats it'

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Re: The election poll
« Reply #23 on: Oct 18, 2007, 12:49PM »
John Howard is talking his usual scare tactics because he is in trouble.

He is a lying son of a bitch and always has been.

Kevin Rudd is the kind of bloke you would see at the pub with his really bad Union Boss mates. He has been drunk and disorderly when he was at the strip club. Sorry but Johnny is out of touch. I haven't heard of him getting drunk.

Johnny's plan for the high speed broadband network is utter shit compared to Kevin Rudd's plan.

I will be voting for Kev.

Johnny's constant slagging of Labour is truelly pathetic, shows how desperate the liberals really are.
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« Reply #24 on: Oct 18, 2007, 01:04PM »
Indeed Dave, i would agree.

Narx, i was just providing an opinion from what i had learnt in Economics, sorry if it was wrong. I wasnt comparing, just stating that historically that is what happens.

It isnt just Gov Spending, but the flow on effects from increased Gov Spending.

As i said before, i will be going Labour.

Also read a statement that, according to a few websites, their opinions are that the "Greens energy tax" will also "destroy the economy"...

Scare tactics... Its all it is now.
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Re: The election poll
« Reply #25 on: Oct 18, 2007, 01:21PM »
If the opinion polls get to bad, Johnny will bring up his usual terrorism ploy in Australia and scare people into voting for Peter Costello.

Remember Johnny ain't staying the whole term. Peter Costello will be Prime Minister if Johnny gets back in.
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Re: The election poll
« Reply #26 on: Oct 18, 2007, 02:33PM »
Sorry but Johnny is out of touch. I haven't heard of him getting drunk.

Ooo, that's it. He's lost my vote  ;)

Greens aren't good for much in the political circle. The only good thing they can do is to have a few seats to put pressure on the government regarding environmental policies, the majority of their own environmental policies are a bit lacking.
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« Reply #27 on: Oct 18, 2007, 06:01PM »
Lol... i had to change my vote to Pringles  :D

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Re: The election poll
« Reply #28 on: Oct 18, 2007, 07:07PM »
Fuck them all.

These are the major things I want sorted for myself and where I live... so I will vote for the party that will push for this the most.

- Pay increases for Victorian teachers to put us inline with the rest of the country.
- More cops on the beat in Geelong, so stop the endless late night violence that keeps flaring up.  Pull them from behind the wheels of their un-marked cars trying to catch people doing 55 in 50 zones and put them to good use!
- Get the bloody ring road around geelong built and sorted
- Make it MANDATORY for every new home in this country to have a 1000litre (or larger) water tank and a connection (in new areas) to grey water.  We are running out of water, its as fucking simple as that.  Do something about it you useless government fuck wits!

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Re: The election poll
« Reply #29 on: Oct 18, 2007, 07:22PM »
- Make it MANDATORY for every new home in this country to have a 1000litre (or larger) water tank and a connection (in new areas) to grey water.  We are running out of water, its as fucking simple as that.  Do something about it you useless government fuck wits!

I agree with water tanks. Except in areas where we have water catchments which we use for our water supply.

The mandatory grey water systems would also be a good idea on new homes. We have one at home, it's great... except for the natives which require little water anyway  :)

Should also look into a dual-reticulation system similar to that in some of the new developments in Sydney.

EDIT: Oh yeah, pay increase for teachers would be good. They are educating the next generation after all.
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Re: The election poll
« Reply #30 on: Oct 18, 2007, 07:26PM »
Narx, i was just providing an opinion from what i had learnt in Economics, sorry if it was wrong. I wasnt comparing, just stating that historically that is what happens.

Yeah I was just clarifying, since you said you weren't sure.

Johnny's constant slagging of Labour is truelly pathetic, shows how desperate the liberals really are.

But do you really think it would be any different for any other party?  I don't really think you can say that Labour politicians wouldn't do the same.  Especially when policies are so similar.

Kevin Rudd is the kind of bloke you would see at the pub with his really bad Union Boss mates. He has been drunk and disorderly when he was at the strip club. Sorry but Johnny is out of touch. I haven't heard of him getting drunk.

Is this really what you would base your voting preference on?  Public drunkenness?

Fuck them all.

These are the major things I want sorted for myself and where I live... so I will vote for the party that will push for this the most.

- Pay increases for Victorian teachers to put us inline with the rest of the country.
- More cops on the beat in Geelong, so stop the endless late night violence that keeps flaring up.  Pull them from behind the wheels of their un-marked cars trying to catch people doing 55 in 50 zones and put them to good use!
- Get the bloody ring road around geelong built and sorted
- Make it MANDATORY for every new home in this country to have a 1000litre (or larger) water tank and a connection (in new areas) to grey water.  We are running out of water, its as fucking simple as that.  Do something about it you useless government fuck wits!

/that is all :P

Isn't most of that stuff state-level, Budgie?  The way I look at these elections, I'm voting for policies which are going to shape Australia as a whole.  But when it comes to state or local level, I think it doesn't matter who the politician is or from which party they come, as long as there is enough concerted local pressure (and the onus is on the local population to make these issues known, as is their duty in a democracy), then they will accede to what the public wants.  But at a national level, this doesn't work as well because the range of interests represented are so broad, so you have to vote for the party that best represents you nationally.  I voted Liberal last election because I was pleased with the economy etc, but I voted Labour in the state election purely because of the water issue.
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Re: The election poll
« Reply #31 on: Oct 18, 2007, 09:19PM »
Personally I have no major gripes with John. Obviously he could improve many things but who can say that Rudd will be better? Atleast John has experience. When I see and hear Rudd talking it seems that he is trying too hard to be sincere and everybody's friend.

In the case of govt. spending it depends where it is being spent. If we have a surplus and the govt. puts money into reducing our environmental footprint through subsidising green products and practices for business I can only see good flow on effects. If the money is pushed into the education system, good, better pay for teachers etc.

The only real flow on effects govt. spending could have that I can see is inflation. However the RBA will be able to control this to a certain extent with its monetary policy, i.e. suck up a some money from the economy through open market operations (selling govt. securities).

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Re: The election poll
« Reply #32 on: Oct 18, 2007, 09:21PM »
Narxysus

My vote is based upon. 1 howard has proved to good with economics but how did he do it.

1 He took away peoples rights at work.
2 Years ago he promised that the gst would not be brought back under a liberal goverment. What happened.
3 The children over board scandal.
4 Lied about everything to get the Australian troops into Iraq. The war was for supposedly cheaper oil = cheaper fuel. Where is the cheaper fuel.

etc

There are more but I have to go to work.

I find it funny that average loves howard. Johnny is for the rich only. The liberals always have been.

One last thing, everyone says Kev will do the same and lie. How the fuck are we gonna know what he is like if we dont give him a chance.
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Re: The election poll
« Reply #33 on: Oct 18, 2007, 09:35PM »
4 Lied about everything to get the Australian troops into Iraq. The war was for supposedly cheaper oil = cheaper fuel. Where is the cheaper fuel.

I don't know why people worry about this so much, we have had troops in Afghanistan for much longer and we have alot MORE troops over there.  Everyone knows aussie diggers are the best in the world, not the best equipped, but most well trained.

Cheaper fuel was never going to happen and you know it Dave.  I support our troops and our government deploying them 100%.
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Re: The election poll
« Reply #34 on: Oct 18, 2007, 09:42PM »
I support our troops and our government deploying them 100%.

Same here.

I'll probably end up voting liberal, partially because my parents do, but more-so because I want someone in power who can manage the economy and who don't bend over for the union bosses.

Having said that if any party promises to abolish uni fee's they get my vote :D
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Re: The election poll
« Reply #35 on: Oct 18, 2007, 09:45PM »
I find it funny that average loves howard. Johnny is for the rich only. The liberals always have been.

I have to disagree with that statement. How can someone support the rich when they tax 45% of their income? Especially considering that these people have usually paid a fortune in tertiary education fees to get the job. No wonder our entrepenours (sp?) go overseas....


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Re: The election poll
« Reply #36 on: Oct 18, 2007, 09:49PM »
I'll be voting liberal.

Don't give a fuck what my parents vote.

Liberal is for the "rich" people so some like to say, even if they are, I don't give two shits, I don't plan to be a poor arse for the rest of my life.

Howard is a liar ? So Krudd isn't ? I bet you my balls half the shit he says now he won't do if he gets the seat..all of them lie, they say things we want to hear (like the new workplace agreement crap, i dont like it but once again, i dont plan on working for an arse or anyone else for that matter) once they get into power they do what they want.

The economy right now is excellent, yeah cool, we're not right next to the US right now, but i bet you we will get there, Howard knows what his doing.. his very well educated (lawyer beforehand) and he may seem like a sly scumbag, licking bush's arse and what-not (you prefer to be friends with crazy arse north koreans?).. but im telling you.. it's getting us places.

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Re: The election poll
« Reply #37 on: Oct 18, 2007, 10:25PM »
Yea i dont quite understand this voting the way you parents vote, make your own mind up! A mate votes labor everytime cos his dad does, his grand dad did, great grand dad did etc, its rubbish. He has a b. Arts majoring in politics and is now doing a commerce degree, how the fuck he cant make his own mind up is beyond me.

People need to remember that no matter what party is in power, not everyone will be happy with some kind of policy or another.

Liberals may be more supportive of big business and labor more supportive of average joe, but thats because labor has been historically run by unions, who rely on average joe, where as in my view, liberals support big business because that flows on to meaning more jobs.

The workplace reforms are not that bad imo, i work in the science/research industry, for the last 50 years or so, there has never been job security, its always contracts due to the fucked funding arrangements that neither of the major parties address. Its very hard to conduct real, continuous research and make real discoveries when the funding cycle only last 3 years, after which you may have to move on to a different area.

Australian workers dont realise how good they have it, they have so many rights that many other major countries would be jealous of. Its the unions that are worried about these laws, cos they can't get into the workplace as freely as they'd like, to recruit members and piddle i their ears about stupid little things.

My other issue with voting labor is that then the whole country would be run by labor at both state and federal level, which i do not think is a good idea. But on the other hand, liberals get in, howard retires, costello becomes PM, abbot steps up to treasurer and the bloody country is run by abbot and costello!!!

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Re: The election poll
« Reply #38 on: Oct 19, 2007, 06:52PM »
I totally agree with everything chris just said! all so true! id also like to add that if we wern't such great allies with the US we could quite easily get ourselves in alot of trouble. I dont know kevin Rudds view on the US but im sure our relationship with the US will not be as good as it is currently.
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Re: The election poll
« Reply #39 on: Oct 19, 2007, 11:50PM »
I'll be voting liberal.

Don't give a fuck what my parents vote.

Liberal is for the "rich" people so some like to say, even if they are, I don't give two shits, I don't plan to be a poor arse for the rest of my life.

Howard is a liar ? So Krudd isn't ? I bet you my balls half the shit he says now he won't do if he gets the seat..all of them lie, they say things we want to hear (like the new workplace agreement crap, i dont like it but once again, i dont plan on working for an arse or anyone else for that matter) once they get into power they do what they want.

The economy right now is excellent, yeah cool, we're not right next to the US right now, but i bet you we will get there, Howard knows what his doing.. his very well educated (lawyer beforehand) and he may seem like a sly scumbag, licking bush's arse and what-not (you prefer to be friends with crazy arse north koreans?).. but im telling you.. it's getting us places.

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Johnny has proved to be a liar from day one. I think its funny these days how everyone assumes. They dont give people a chance to prove themselves.

If Johnny gets in he wont stay long. Peter Costello will be given the role pretty quickly. He is not even deputy PM. Has he got the experience to be PM. Ask yourself that Question ?

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Re: The election poll
« Reply #40 on: Oct 20, 2007, 07:11AM »
I totally agree with everything chris just said! all so true! id also like to add that if we wern't such great allies with the US we could quite easily get ourselves in alot of trouble. I dont know kevin Rudds view on the US but im sure our relationship with the US will not be as good as it is currently.

Honestly, I think Japan and China are going to be waaaaay more important to us than the US in the coming decades, The US will never dislike us because we are a Western democracy with a common language, but our international ties should really be strongest in Asia.  In co-operation with Japan, we could really make a difference to the less developed nations in the Asia-pacific region, and in the process become our own superpower down this end of the world.  But keeping ourselves shackled to the US and its northern-hemisphere policies is a bit like signing the Kyoto protocol.  Well intentioned, but not the most effective course of action.
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Re: The election poll
« Reply #41 on: Oct 20, 2007, 09:50AM »
i'm not a political person at all, but seriously it shits me when people are ignorant and pretty much throw common sense out the door when it comes to election time. i was thinking about this last night, and i find it funny how a few people here that have said they support john howard and the liberals - the reasons that they're giving are just flat out repeated off the tv ads and mailouts that have been going around. i dont care who anyone votes for, but at least rattle of some reasons that you've given thought to, rather than rattle off verbatim what their advertising is saying.

first up if we were less wrapped around america's little finger i'm sure we'd likely have less trouble to get ourselves into. there are plenty of other countries that survive quite well without being up america's ass, why do we need to do it?

do you even know what you're talking about when you're ranting on about unions? will unions even effect you? do you even know if it will be good or bad? does your industry even have a union? or are you just complaining about them because you are told to? are you even at all aware that there are unions around right now? do you even know what they do? personally sometimes i thought they were a help to workers and sometimes i thought they were a bit of a time waster. pretty much like most other things.. there is good and bad that comes with it. unions have nothing to do with the government, they're all to do with the people.. and if the people support a union or create a union, then guess what, you have unions regardless of which party is in power. saying that union bosses are going to be 70% of the people elected into parliament (according to a liberal pamphlet i have here) is probably the biggest load of rubbish i've heard.. have a look at all the candidates for each seat and tell me if they're a union boss..

and the tax cuts and shit for everyone, and the comment 'how can the liberal be looking after the high paid people when they're taxing them 45c in a dollar?' have a look at how the tax system works for a minute, it might be 45c in a dollar, but it all works out roughly the same in the end, and you know what? the big guys can afford it. i'm sure you'd be complaining to no end if the people earning $200k were also getting taxed on 30c or maybe less. how will you build an economy if you're not taxing people in relation to what they earn? the only reason your taxes have come down is because of the gst.. the more you spend, the more money comes in through gst, if the government make you think you're earning heaps more by giving you an extra $6 a week your pay packet, you're going to spend more money and they reap the benefits in gst.. not to mention the way the prices of everyday items have inflated over the last few years.. the higher the cost of things, the more gst comes in. the howard government have been throwing money at everyone over the last few years.. be it in little tax cuts, or the $3000 baby bonus.. he's buying votes, pure and simple.. but look, his current tax cuts are offering what? $33 more in the average persons bank every week by 2010? wtf are you going to be able to buy of any real use for $33 in 2010? oh a lunch or something sure.. but what about fuel, it'll more expensive, everything will be more expensive, your $33 is going to be worth jack shit.

oh also.. one last thing before i go.. the government has no control over interest rates! its the reserve bank of australia.. do you all remember last election when howard said 'i promise interest rates will no increase under a liberal government' he flat out made a promise he could not keep because he had no control over it, and guess what, interest rates went up within months of him being re-elected. but everyone believed him. any person with a basic understanding of how interest rates work knew that he couldn't do anything to keep them low. there is going to be another interest rates rise right in the middle of the election campaign though, around the first week of november, i reckon that'll hit howard hard because of the promise he made in the last election.

eugh.. if you're going to support someone/a party and argue your stance, at least show you've put some thought into it instead of blindly following what you're told to do.

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Re: The election poll
« Reply #42 on: Oct 20, 2007, 11:25AM »

do you even know what you're talking about when you're ranting on about unions? will unions even effect you? do you even know if it will be good or bad? does your industry even have a union? or are you just complaining about them because you are told to? are you even at all aware that there are unions around right now? do you even know what they do? personally sometimes i thought they were a help to workers and sometimes i thought they were a bit of a time waster. pretty much like most other things.. there is good and bad that comes with it. unions have nothing to do with the government, they're all to do with the people.. and if the people support a union or create a union, then guess what, you have unions regardless of which party is in power. saying that union bosses are going to be 70% of the people elected into parliament (according to a liberal pamphlet i have here) is probably the biggest load of rubbish i've heard.. have a look at all the candidates for each seat and tell me if they're a union boss..

i work in consrtuction, and dont want to be in a union. before work choices i was pressured into going to protests about it and was looked down upon when i didnt.
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Re: The election poll
« Reply #43 on: Oct 20, 2007, 04:01PM »
oh also.. one last thing before i go.. the government has no control over interest rates! its the reserve bank of australia.. do you all remember last election when howard said 'i promise interest rates will no increase under a liberal government' he flat out made a promise he could not keep because he had no control over it, and guess what, interest rates went up within months of him being re-elected. but everyone believed him. any person with a basic understanding of how interest rates work knew that he couldn't do anything to keep them low. there is going to be another interest rates rise right in the middle of the election campaign though, around the first week of november, i reckon that'll hit howard hard because of the promise he made in the last election.

eugh.. if you're going to support someone/a party and argue your stance, at least show you've put some thought into it instead of blindly following what you're told to do.

The government does control intrest rates, even if indirectly through their macro-economic policies. Dont make me dig up my year 12 economics notes.....

And often the info in the handouts/ads etc (not necissarily facts i know) are pretty close to what has happened in the past, the opposition party likes to highlight these to remind people.

and the tax cuts and shit for everyone, and the comment 'how can the liberal be looking after the high paid people when they're taxing them 45c in a dollar?' have a look at how the tax system works for a minute, it might be 45c in a dollar, but it all works out roughly the same in the end, and you know what? the big guys can afford it. i'm sure you'd be complaining to no end if the people earning $200k were also getting taxed on 30c or maybe less. how will you build an economy if you're not taxing people in relation to what they earn? the only reason your taxes have come down is because of the gst.. the more you spend, the more money comes in through gst, if the government make you think you're earning heaps more by giving you an extra $6 a week your pay packet, you're going to spend more money and they reap the benefits in gst.. not to mention the way the prices of everyday items have inflated over the last few years.. the higher the cost of things, the more gst comes in. the howard government have been throwing money at everyone over the last few years.. be it in little tax cuts, or the $3000 baby bonus.. he's buying votes, pure and simple.. but look, his current tax cuts are offering what? $33 more in the average persons bank every week by 2010? wtf are you going to be able to buy of any real use for $33 in 2010? oh a lunch or something sure.. but what about fuel, it'll more expensive, everything will be more expensive, your $33 is going to be worth jack shit.

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Re: The election poll
« Reply #44 on: Oct 20, 2007, 04:34PM »
The government does control intrest rates, even if indirectly through their macro-economic policies. Dont make me dig up my year 12 economics notes.....

Only via fiscal action though - the only way they can influence it is by changing how "heated" the economy is, and they do that by increasing or decreasing economic activity on a macro scale.  It's a pretty tenuous link, and the government can do what it likes and still have exogenous factors cause an interest rate change.
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Re: The election poll
« Reply #45 on: Oct 20, 2007, 06:04PM »
Finally people who aren't talking what they heard off tv or read in a pamphlet.

Good work Noss.

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Re: The election poll
« Reply #46 on: Oct 20, 2007, 06:30PM »
Narxysus, out of interest whats your IQ. I am guessing more then 150. By reading your posts, your one of the smarter people on here.

I've never had a professional test, and I've never had the patience to sit through one you do yourself, so I couldn't tell you.  But my mum says I'm smart!

I just like try to keep fairly objective about things.  When it comes to politics though, I think it's important to think about the issues as a whole, rather than your individual preference.  This is why I wouldn't immediately dismiss some of the election propaganda - because it is not individually targeted, it should be reasonably accurate for the nation as a whole (if you can ignore the sensationalism surrounding it).
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Re: The election poll
« Reply #47 on: Oct 20, 2007, 06:53PM »
remember the saying, stick to the devil you know ?
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« Reply #48 on: Oct 20, 2007, 07:00PM »
But my mum says I'm smart!

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Re: The election poll
« Reply #49 on: Oct 20, 2007, 07:47PM »
remember the saying, stick to the devil you know ?

This is a valid reason for voting.  I've advised the younger people around me who are voting for the first time and are all "I don't care/know/none of them are good etc" by telling them "If you've been happy with the way your country has run and the effects it has had on your life for the past 3 years, then you might as well vote for the incumbent, because they will probably continue to provide that environment.  But if there's something you particularly didn't like or would like to see changed, then look at voting for a different party.  Either way, work to become more politically engaged."
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« Reply #50 on: Oct 20, 2007, 08:14PM »
I wouldn't mind seeing a few things being changed to be honest.. but i'd rather work for $3 less an hour and have a strong economy. It WILL pay off in the future, holidays and overseas shopping will be a breeze and an enjoyment (here i spend my money on car parts and other things and get cut because everything else is so damn expensive (ie living expenses)).

I just know, who-ever gets in, things will never be 100% good in everyones eyes, but as long as the country is strong im happy.
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« Reply #51 on: Oct 20, 2007, 08:21PM »
I wouldn't mind seeing a few things being changed to be honest.. but i'd rather work for $3 less an hour and have a strong economy. It WILL pay off in the future, holidays and overseas shopping will be a breeze and an enjoyment (here i spend my money on car parts and other things and get cut because everything else is so damn expensive (ie living expenses)).

Just don't forget that a strong economy can come at social and environmental costs.  Things like WorkChoices are without a doubt excellent for the economy, because a free, flexible labour market is an excellent economic lubricant, but you have to consider the social welfare of those who receive the crappiest treatment because of it.  That is to say, any system will have winners and losers for an end goal, and you have to make sure the losers aren't so badly hurt that it makes the end goal worthless.

Also consider that nothing is free, so the things that you value in the future (holidays etc) may also have a cost in the future which you aren't fully aware of or aren't putting in perspective.
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« Reply #52 on: Oct 20, 2007, 08:29PM »
Like what price ? A tax for leaving the country ? I wouldn't doubt it  :D
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Re: The election poll
« Reply #53 on: Oct 21, 2007, 01:07AM »
The government does control intrest rates, even if indirectly through their macro-economic policies. Dont make me dig up my year 12 economics notes.....

Sorry but no, dont make me dig up my double degree in commerce and applied finance notes. The govt. is concerned with fiscal policy-  the need to fund capital expenditures and recurrent operations. The Reserve Bank of Australia is concerned with monetray policy- manipulation of money supply through deliberate operations (buying and selling of govt. securities and controlleing of overnight interest rates).

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« Reply #54 on: Oct 21, 2007, 03:40AM »
Sorry but no, dont make me dig up my double degree in commerce and applied finance notes. The govt. is concerned with fiscal policy-  the need to fund capital expenditures and recurrent operations. The Reserve Bank of Australia is concerned with monetray policy- manipulation of money supply through deliberate operations (buying and selling of govt. securities and controlleing of overnight interest rates).

Interest rates change to maintain inflation in the 2-3% band.  Short-term inflation is caused by strong economic activity and a positive future outlook, so people borrow more and more.  Economic activity is strongly influenced by the fiscal actions of government.  It is indirect, but the government does influence the interest rate - if taxes were jacked up and the government didn't spend much, then interest rates would probably fall, to prevent deflation caused by low economic activity.

Like what price ? A tax for leaving the country ? I wouldn't doubt it  :D

Well I don't know for sure.  But I wouldn't expect air travel to get cheaper in future - as oil prices rise, the cost of air travel will become prohibitively expensive.  Buying stuff in other countries might be more expensive than you think if China ends up going down the crapper because of it's environmental problems etc, as there'll be no supply of mass produced Chinese goods.  If anything happens to our capacity to supply commodities, or the demand for them falters, the value of the dollar will plunge, making overseas travel expensive.
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« Reply #55 on: Oct 21, 2007, 10:48AM »
This is a great thread to read, seems we have an awesome debate going on. Great points all round.
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« Reply #56 on: Oct 21, 2007, 03:53PM »
How do you lot feel about the broadband issue?  Personally, I can live with what we have.  At least we've got broadband.  I think I'd rather see the money spent on other services, or if it has to be on broadband, then spent on increasing coverage rather than bandwidth (though I guess they would sorta go hand in hand).
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Re: The election poll
« Reply #57 on: Oct 21, 2007, 06:46PM »
Did I write that post last night? Haha I was soo drunk. I do agree with what you say though narx.

How do you lot feel about the broadband issue?  Personally, I can live with what we have.  At least we've got broadband.  I think I'd rather see the money spent on other services, or if it has to be on broadband, then spent on increasing coverage rather than bandwidth (though I guess they would sorta go hand in hand).

Personally I think they need to make sure that all Aussies in the outback have better phone lines etc before we even think about internet. I know its mostly up to Telstra but I think thats kind of more important. In my humble opinion that money could be better spent elsewhere.

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Re: The election poll
« Reply #58 on: Oct 21, 2007, 09:51PM »
The bush doesnt really need phone lines, they need mobile coverage, the telstra 3g network is pretty good but still has many, many stupid holes. The govt needs to further deregulate telstra and open up the infrastructure so its competitors can access this market (despite how relatively small it is).

As for broadband, i agree with narxysus, i think my broadband is quite good and there is still faster plans out there.

Boring as you may think it is, im watchin the debate tonight. I think Howard is doing quite well, he progresses fowards, has made a few policy announcements and explains what the govt plans to do if re-elected but seems to be hogging the time a bit. Rudd seems on the backfoot a bit and continues to bash Howard and his policies. Yes its a debate but most of his replies to questions etc seem to concentrate on what howard has done in the past and less on what labor plans to do if they are elected.

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« Reply #59 on: Oct 22, 2007, 10:32AM »
i work in consrtuction, and dont want to be in a union. before work choices i was pressured into going to protests about it and was looked down upon when i didnt.
unionism will be a steb backward for the building industry. no one here knows of the demarcation disputes and union thuggery that went on in the 80's.

oh yeh i'm not saying i agree with unions at all hey.. there are good and bad things but i think the bad outweighs the good in most instances.. my dads in the construction industry, and me being in engineering i'm kind of sitting on the sideline.. unions are a much bigger thing down south than up here in queensland.. victoria is worse than nsw i believe, but i might be wrong.. but all the strikes and shit and stuff unions have tried to impose on workers which drag out construction times to rediculous lengths.. its just rubbish.. but you have blokes that love it cause they're bludgers and a strike means they dont have to work..

what i was actually saying in my long winded rant was the people that are complaining about unions in this thread.. are unions going to affect them at all? i dont know what everyone here does, but i reckon a good few of the people arent in construction.. they'd be accountants or people working at coles or something like that..


oh also someone mentioned surplus much earlier.. i want to know, why should a government have a huge surplus? why dont they spend some bloody money on the country? as i said earlier i'm not into politics much at all, so maybe i got it all wrong, but shouldnt money be spent on services and what not to make the country better? (not till we have no surplus tho) or is it just another 'hey look at me i gots me some money we are the bestest' kind of thing


and sidestepping a little.. dave :P i know you asked narx and not me, but i myself have done 3 iq tests.. my iq has gone down a bit over the years lol.. first one was an army iq test.. i got 163.. next one was 158, then next one was 152.. a few years in between each one.. i dont want to be tested again in case its gotten any worse  ::)

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« Reply #60 on: Oct 22, 2007, 12:29PM »

oh also someone mentioned surplus much earlier.. i want to know, why should a government have a huge surplus? why dont they spend some bloody money on the country? as i said earlier i'm not into politics much at all, so maybe i got it all wrong, but shouldnt money be spent on services and what not to make the country better? (not till we have no surplus tho) or is it just another 'hey look at me i gots me some money we are the bestest' kind of thing

I agree 100% with that.

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« Reply #61 on: Oct 22, 2007, 12:43PM »
howard owned krudd.

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« Reply #62 on: Oct 22, 2007, 01:25PM »
oh also someone mentioned surplus much earlier.. i want to know, why should a government have a huge surplus? why dont they spend some bloody money on the country? as i said earlier i'm not into politics much at all, so maybe i got it all wrong, but shouldnt money be spent on services and what not to make the country better? (not till we have no surplus tho) or is it just another 'hey look at me i gots me some money we are the bestest' kind of thing

Interest rates change to maintain inflation in the 2-3% band.  Short-term inflation is caused by strong economic activity and a positive future outlook, so people borrow more and more.  Economic activity is strongly influenced by the fiscal actions of government.  It is indirect, but the government does influence the interest rate - if taxes were jacked up and the government didn't spend much, then interest rates would probably fall, to prevent deflation caused by low economic activity.

If all that money was spent every year, interest rates would be pretty high in order to curtail private spending by and equivalent amount, otherwise inflation would be insane.

But mostly noss, it's because the government (regardless of which party it is) must maintain balanced books in the long term - i.e. it can't continually borrow (have a deficit) and it could not maintain a surplus indefinitely for political reasons (i.e. people's tax money being held and not used for anything for long periods of time).  So if you look at the last couple decades, you see that the budget is more in deficit than surplus:

http://www.budget.gov.au/2007-08/overview/html/overview_40.htm

If you add up the "Underlying cash balance: percent of GDP" column, you get -18.7%.  So it would take a saving of 18.7% of GDP (roughly) to pay back all of the government's past loans.  Right now, the surplus is 1% of GDP.  You can see that only in the last two years has the net debt become negative (i.e. more assets than debt) - I don't know how this is worked out but I'd guess it's [outstanding loans] - [liquid assets], so it probably shows the amount by which debt liabilities exceed assets.  So yeah.  The government is running continual surpluses because it has a lot to make up for.
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« Reply #63 on: Oct 22, 2007, 02:05PM »
ok cool thanks for explaining :) i dont pay attention to much outside my bubble.

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« Reply #64 on: Oct 22, 2007, 04:50PM »
and sidestepping a little.. dave :P i know you asked narx and not me, but i myself have done 3 iq tests.. my iq has gone down a bit over the years lol.. first one was an army iq test.. i got 163.. next one was 158, then next one was 152.. a few years in between each one.. i dont want to be tested again in case its gotten any worse  ::)

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« Reply #65 on: Oct 22, 2007, 04:55PM »
Chris I think its funny how you said Rudd was owned. I didn't see the debate but from what I heard Rudd was the better man.

Read up a little, you have pretty much only grown up under a liberal goverment. John howard is a tool. How much do you know about the other political partys that you have not heard the liberals say.
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« Reply #66 on: Oct 22, 2007, 05:40PM »
Vote for me, [i seem to suffer from tourettes]s.  ;D

I'm already sick to death of hearing "If elected...."

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« Reply #67 on: Oct 22, 2007, 07:11PM »
yeah im sick of that too. not to mention bundaberg is a very labour strong town so i've also heard 'ratify kyoto' about 60 times today. one more and i go stabby
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« Reply #68 on: Oct 22, 2007, 07:33PM »
yeah im sick of that too. not to mention bundaberg is a very labour strong town so i've also heard 'ratify kyoto' about 60 times today. one more and i go stabby

On this note, I was pleased to hear Howard say, in pretty blunt terms, that the US and Bush do need to do more on the climate change front, and I agree with him on the outcome of the APEC summit.  I think these are better initiatives than the Kyoto protocol.  I'm fairly sure I'll be putting Liberal ahead of Labour on my ballot.
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« Reply #69 on: Oct 22, 2007, 10:40PM »
liberal ftw [i seem to suffer from tourettes]s

lol @ forum how biased it is, SAU have liberal winning by miles on here it's Kruddski.
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« Reply #70 on: Oct 22, 2007, 11:50PM »
The problem is, krudd is saying all the things to buy the cheap votes. I know liberal will be better (IMO) but krudd keeps making promises to try and appease all the 'uneducated' (i use this term loosely, referring to the majority of the population who dont have much of an understanding of politics and how decisions locally affect our national and international position), saying things such as he will ratify the kyoto protocol, offering what really is a small increase/offset in childcare costs, the cheap education scholarship, wanting to spend what sounds like a large amount of money, but really isnt much, on upgrading broadband networks, they are all very short term policies IMO and it frustrates me no end. Sure they sound good, will get people some cash in their pockets almost immediately but once you've spent that, where to then?

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« Reply #71 on: Oct 23, 2007, 09:44AM »
liberal ftw [i seem to suffer from tourettes]s

agreed.

I fucking lol'd hard when krudd mentioned some shit about "tax breaks to landlords for cheaper rent"....I pretty much switched off to anything that he has to say now. Bit like the last labourious tool at the last election, "vote for me, more ciggys and grog to the less fortunate".

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« Reply #72 on: Oct 23, 2007, 11:53AM »
liberal ftw [i seem to suffer from tourettes]s

lol @ forum how biased it is, SAU have liberal winning by miles on here it's Kruddski.

have you been to the r31 club? honestly i go to websites to stay away from shit like these even though i've had a bit of a rant in here about people that cant think for themselves.. but yeh, couldnt stay there for more than a few minutes.


edit: dunno what happened but it looks normal now.. they had a big r31 club logo with the word skyline crossed out and kevin07 written in and a pic of kevin rudd's head.. meh.
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« Reply #73 on: Oct 23, 2007, 12:43PM »
That's because they're all bogans ryan.  ;D

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« Reply #74 on: Oct 23, 2007, 02:23PM »
LOL thats crazy

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« Reply #75 on: Oct 23, 2007, 02:28PM »
That's because they're all bogans ryan.  ;D

I know a couple of people from the R31 club and they're not bogans. Maybe some of them are, but not all.  :D
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« Reply #76 on: Oct 24, 2007, 03:40PM »
Apparently it's because the equivalent of noss (owner/admin) on the r31 forums is a Labour die-hard.

On topic, I was listening to the radio and apparently the latest inflation figures put it at 3% for the year, which is at the very top of the 2-3% band that the bank aims for, and seeing as how the economy has no internal downward pressures in it, it is inevitable that interest rates will rise (potentially by a lot), whoever gets into government.  They were saying that it could well be as soon as the RBA meeting in November.

Has anyone looked at the policies for the various parties?  On the Greens and the Democrats websites, they have very good, explicit policy outlines, which are not broad and vague.  Labour, and particularly Liberal, just have these crappy documents that say really broad, ambiguous things.  Like this from Labour's tax section:

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Wow! Labour want a fair tax system!  They are an innovative party with "new leadership" for sure!  :P  I don't understand why these parties don't make explicit policy papers like the Dems etc.  It would be nice to have a list of common items between all parties, and compare them side by side in the same format, without all the propaganda bullshit.

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« Reply #77 on: Oct 24, 2007, 04:58PM »
then they don't win.
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« Reply #78 on: Oct 31, 2007, 11:30AM »
well what can i say..






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« Reply #79 on: Oct 31, 2007, 12:30PM »
ah come on now, every loves titties no matter what age! ;) haha
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« Reply #80 on: Oct 31, 2007, 01:44PM »
Titties woot woot  ;) good on ya rud for going to a strip joint why the hell not.
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« Reply #81 on: Oct 31, 2007, 03:16PM »
i think his thinking

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« Reply #82 on: Oct 31, 2007, 03:27PM »
"where the fuck are her tits?"

Spot on, there are hardly any there!!
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« Reply #83 on: Oct 31, 2007, 03:57PM »
rudd and howard both suck...VOTE GREEN....i mean NOSS....he probably has a better chance..

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« Reply #84 on: Oct 31, 2007, 11:05PM »
haha at my local pc club... we had those pics and had to make the best caption for them
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« Reply #85 on: Nov 2, 2007, 02:04AM »
well i am goin to be voting Labour, go ruddy :P
i have just done economics at university and well  johnny promised low inflation, but then he also promised low unemployment with stupid incentiatives like bloody workchoices to get ppl into the workforce. u cant have both and have a smooth economy, its simple with more people in work bringin down unemployment levels, there is more money to spend purchasing  items in the economy. This will increase inflation figures and in turn put up interest rates and were all seeing the effects of interest rates rising. many people in sydney or anywhere for that matter are having to sell there homes to cover there huge mortgage or the bank decides to foreclose on there mortgage cause people cant afford to pay a higher interest repayments. i hope ruddy can get in and scrap this stupid reform of workchoices. yeah our economic growth is growing atm but it will soon level off and then were would be go from there, recession?
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« Reply #86 on: Nov 2, 2007, 01:38PM »
People go on about how this workchoices thing is so bad but does anyone actually know someone thats been affected by it? Not having a go at anyone, just curious.

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« Reply #87 on: Nov 2, 2007, 04:41PM »
People go on about how this workchoices thing is so bad but does anyone actually know someone thats been affected by it? Not having a go at anyone, just curious.

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« Reply #88 on: Nov 2, 2007, 05:01PM »
Special news report from the Chaser..." 100% of Union Officials are.... union officials..." bahahahah
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« Reply #89 on: Nov 3, 2007, 06:02PM »
well i am goin to be voting Labour, go ruddy :P
i have just done economics at university and well  johnny promised low inflation, but then he also promised low unemployment with stupid incentiatives like bloody workchoices to get ppl into the workforce. u cant have both and have a smooth economy, its simple with more people in work bringin down unemployment levels, there is more money to spend purchasing  items in the economy. This will increase inflation figures and in turn put up interest rates and were all seeing the effects of interest rates rising. many people in sydney or anywhere for that matter are having to sell there homes to cover there huge mortgage or the bank decides to foreclose on there mortgage cause people cant afford to pay a higher interest repayments. i hope ruddy can get in and scrap this stupid reform of workchoices. yeah our economic growth is growing atm but it will soon level off and then were would be go from there, recession?
bring back peoples rights in the workforce, so they are happy and content to increase there productivity, not so they dont need to look over there shoulder ever 10 secs to see if they still have a job.

I can't understand why you think Labour will improve the situation.  People have massive mortgages because of past economic prosperity.  Interest rates are high because inflation is high due to current economic prosperity.  Workchoices has been implemented by the Howard government with the aim being to ensure future economic prosperity via a flexible and competitive labour market, once Australia has to really compete in the global economy instead of being able to rely on a commodities boom.

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« Reply #90 on: Nov 3, 2007, 07:58PM »
yeah our economic growth is growing atm but it will soon level off and then were would be go from there, recession?

Quite probably. Economies are characterised by boom and bust cycles.

Also, i dont feel much empathy for people losing their homes etc due to increasing mortgage rates - surely you would look at foward intrest rate forecasts etc and have an idea of what is going to happen. If a $20 - $40 increase in weekly repayments busts your balls and you cant make the repayments, your mortgage is obviously much bigger than you can actually afford and you are stupid for thinking that the rate was going to stay relatively low.

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« Reply #91 on: Nov 4, 2007, 01:03AM »
Quite probably. Economies are characterised by boom and bust cycles.

Also, i dont feel much empathy for people losing their homes etc due to increasing mortgage rates - surely you would look at foward intrest rate forecasts etc and have an idea of what is going to happen. If a $20 - $40 increase in weekly repayments busts your balls and you cant make the repayments, your mortgage is obviously much bigger than you can actually afford and you are stupid for thinking that the rate was going to stay relatively low.

Honestly I think more people should consider fixed rate mortgages.  You can work out exactly (to the cent) how much interest you will pay over the life of such an arrangement, so if you consider (house price) + (stamp duty) + (interest over life of the loan) to be what the house is worth, then so be it.  Don't gamble trying to pay a little less interest by paying for it in uncertainty.
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« Reply #92 on: Nov 4, 2007, 06:02PM »
because for the past couple of years, the fixed rate has been higher than the variable rate. Those that did go a fixed rate will be laughing in 12 to 18 months i reckon. Bit O/T but.

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Re: The election poll
« Reply #93 on: Nov 6, 2007, 08:38AM »
as far as i understand the fixed rate is always a little higher than the variable rate.. you take the punt getting an interest rate that is fixed but a little higher than the variable and i pays off in the long run.

i got my interest fixed for 5 years (the longest i could get it for from my lender) and i am already laughing. at the time i was unsure but decided interest rates were only going to increase. my interest rate was 0.25% higher than the variable.. the current variable rate at the moment is around 7-8% depending on where you go, my fixed rate is 6.75%

another mistake people make is borrow to the absolute upper limit they can afford. i didnt do that either.. i borrowed around about $50k less than i could have.

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Re: The election poll
« Reply #94 on: Nov 6, 2007, 01:03PM »
hmmmm i tink noss is smart :P

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Re: The election poll
« Reply #95 on: Nov 6, 2007, 04:37PM »
hmmmm i tink noss is smart :P
Its all for show lol
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Re: The election poll
« Reply #96 on: Nov 6, 2007, 11:07PM »
hmmmm i tink noss is smart :P

I gues that makez me smrat tuo!!   :o

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Re: The election poll
« Reply #97 on: Nov 14, 2007, 06:58PM »
Well I think Rann's proposal to give laptops to all students from years 9-12 is stupid. Does he realise that if he does this the kids are going to just go to websites and msn instead of working? A pen and an exercise book is fine. I honestly think the money could be MUCH better spent.

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Re: The election poll
« Reply #98 on: Nov 14, 2007, 09:16PM »
Rann or Rudd?

It is a pretty stupid idea really. And who the fuck does he think he is saying the coalition has spent too much and he is an economic conservative? HELLLOOOOO!!!! Its an election, theres supposed to be a spending spree. Just cos he cant match liberals spending cos he has no idea about how to run a country.

He's a little tin tin look alike fucker and as PM is going to piss me off for the next 3 yrs.

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Re: The election poll
« Reply #99 on: Nov 15, 2007, 07:52AM »
Haha whoops my mistake....Rudd.

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Re: The election poll
« Reply #100 on: Nov 15, 2007, 11:54AM »
you know how the liberal campaign is making a big thing out of saying that rudd hasnt run a local council or anything before so he shouldnt be allowed to run a country?

well, just wondering.. did john howard run a local council or anything before he was prime minister?

i had a quick look on the intermawebs and all i can find is that he was leader of the young liberals and then he was a solicitor for 12 years.. then he got into politics being marketing/campaign manager for some bloke in parkes..

then he ran for parliament in drummoyne and lost, then he ran later in his current (?) seat and won it.. then yeh..

love the hypocritical campaigns lol.


i still havent gotten any slander type flyers in my letterbox from labor so i cant make any observations like this on their stuff
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Re: The election poll
« Reply #101 on: Nov 15, 2007, 12:13PM »
i have been getting heaps of labour junk in my mail box and even just at the front door. All they say is work choices is bad mmmkk. lol they even sent some crap about how some family doesn't like what howard is doing etc.. Waste of time and money. They should spend that money on developing good policy not drowning my poor mailbox in rubbish i'm going to chuck out anyway.

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Re: The election poll
« Reply #102 on: Nov 15, 2007, 01:00PM »
Well I think Rann's proposal to give laptops to all students from years 9-12 is stupid. Does he realise that if he does this the kids are going to just go to websites and msn instead of working?

Or they will be posting on forums instead of doing their work  :D haha.

I think it does have its merrits, but it will probably be detrimental to the majority of kids out there. That and I think there are more pressing issues which the money could be better spent on.
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Re: The election poll
« Reply #103 on: Nov 16, 2007, 01:45PM »
Well I think Rann's proposal to give laptops to all students from years 9-12 is stupid.

OMG this has to be one of the stuipidest ideas ever. Why the hell would you do that?? omg they have no idea what there doing lol
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