Author Topic: What Brand? (Read 11554 times)

Legend Killer · « **on:** Nov 29, 2006, 10:28PM »

Hi Guys Well i no a fair bit about sound systems... but i thought i would ask people that are older then me and might have more experience.
Ive been leaning towards three brands for my subs and amps. Im Leaving my speakers pionner since they pump hard.
Any way i Am thinking of Alpine, RockFordFosgate or Audio Bahn, Ive got audio bahn stuff in my car at the moment but i want to enter my car in Comps.
I am thinking of Two Alpine Type X subs with two ALPINE MRD-M1005 MONOBLOCK Amplifier! 1000W!.
With The RockFord i was leaning towards two T212D4 12" 1000WRMS Subwoofer or P312D4 12" 500WRMS Subwoofer amplified with two T10001bd 1000WRMS Monoblock Amplifier.... And any Audio Bahn Stuff that is dear is ok lol

Sorry guys if you think i am a noob and dont flame me but any help will be apprectiated

Xedus101 · « **Reply #1 on:** Nov 30, 2006, 12:10PM »

Have you looked at any hifonics gear? That stuff really pumps. For SPL i sell a lot of hifonics gear.

2x Alpine SWX-1242D Type X 12" subs - $1099
2x Alpine MRD-M1005 amps - $1258
TOTAL: $2357

Or

1x Hifonics XX Colossus II 3200w amp - $1348
1x Hifonics Goliath XX3212 6400w 12" SPL sub - $1243
TOTAL: $2591

Checkout their site - http://www.maxxsonics.com/hifonics/

The hifonics gear has more bang for your buck and has won a lot of comps in the US. PM me if you want any more details.

Legend Killer · « **Reply #2 on:** Nov 30, 2006, 12:45PM »

so do you think alpine would be a better choice then the fosgate range??? and do you think if i got alpine stuff i would be better off getting alpine speakers as well or doesnt that matter.

Xedus101 · « **Reply #3 on:** Nov 30, 2006, 02:37PM »

It's really just personal preference. If i was building a SPL setup i'd go the hifonics. The good thing with alpine is their amp link if you have an alpine headunit.

Legend Killer · « **Reply #4 on:** Nov 30, 2006, 03:10PM »

Ok I dont think i would go with the hifonics cause ive heard bad things about the subs and amps. Im thinking of going towards the rockford fosgate subs as they pump really hard.

BILL*69 · « **Reply #5 on:** Dec 1, 2006, 09:31AM »

Not to be off topic, but i thought there was a stickied topic marked "what to buy" in the antrx noise boards? Just a hinter

ashman01 · « **Reply #6 on:** Dec 1, 2006, 10:11AM »

Hifonics shit is good. Have a friend who has a 1000rms + (cant remember exactly what it is) amp that he swares by. WOn a few street spl comps with it 2.

I have a question? Why do u have to do with the same brand?

Personaly i would choose,

Head Unit - eclipse (altho it lacks in tacky features but makes up in power and sq)

Speakers - DLS, Boston acoustic, MB quart, hertz or some top end JBL. Those are all im familiar with atho there are probably alot more.

Speaker Amp - Eclipse, dls, dd (altho more for power) and more (cant remember)

Sub amp - DD, Fusion, crossfire (also no many more)

Sub - DD (for power) or eclipse, Hertz

They are just what i have heard and would choose. There are many more

Legend Killer · « **Reply #7 on:** Dec 1, 2006, 10:12PM »

oh i dont have to have the same brand except i already got a pioneer head unit and comp speakers. i just need Good amps and Good Subs and ive heard that Fosgate has excellent subs and amps. But Suggestions are great i will look at all the other brands you have said except for fusion and elcipse i dnt really like them.

ashman01 · « **Reply #8 on:** Dec 1, 2006, 11:39PM »

Quote from: Legend Killer on Dec 1, 2006, 10:12PM

oh i dont have to have the same brand except i already got a pioneer head unit and comp speakers. i just need Good amps and Good Subs and ive heard that Fosgate has excellent subs and amps. But Suggestions are great i will look at all the other brands you have said except for fusion and elcipse i dnt really like them.

How much and which model. Alot (i mean all) of the "lower quality" pioneer hu are shocking quality. They look flashy and sound ok and have some pretty good features for price (i know this is why i bought 1 when i first got my car), but as soon as you amp them the "noise" in unmistakable. That might be your first upgrade. I suggest flogging it off on ebay and getting urself a decent head unit. All this is not valid if you paid over $1000 (i think it is when pioneer start making the good stuff, i dont no so ask some1 in the know.)

If you dont want to upgrade and still want to get a sub and amp i am telling you it will sounds quite bad. Infact really bad. I went down that road and its expensive and annoying. Really ur headunit is the most important part. Its like putting a kia rio engine in a f1 car and expecting it to go fast and not just blow up.

Also i have a pair of rockford speakers and they sound decent but i would never buy the brand again. My experiences with them are that they do what they should and do it ok BUT they never go as hard as most of the other brands. Friend had a 15" rockford and a 12" hertz hooked up at the same time. They had the same power and everything and the hertz just blew the rockford away. It would go in and out alot more than the rockford and look like its "pumping" alot more. And these 2 subs both cost the same amount of money.

My advise, Stay away from the mass mass produced stuff. Also about alpine, Alot of people have been telling me that they are going the way of sony and fusion with mass producing lower quality stuff and selling more to make more money and inturn making a lower quality product so personaly i would stay away but alot of people sware by them so its all up to personal choice.

Sorry for the essay

Legend Killer · « **Reply #9 on:** Dec 2, 2006, 12:28AM »

Well see my speakers are TS-C1625 for the front and for the rear TS-A6961E they may not be the best but they sound good. My head unit is a last year model DEH-P470MP so yeah dnt no if its good or not but i like it and i pump out some nice SQ.

ashman01 · « **Reply #10 on:** Dec 2, 2006, 09:17AM »

Its pioneer premier from what people tell me they are quite good.

trx_reece · « **Reply #11 on:** Dec 2, 2006, 08:09PM »

go for treo in the subs. get the treo csx (http://www.treoonline.com/csx.html.) this sub can handle any amp power on the market at the moment. my mate has one and he gets 152 db at the moment. if you dont want to spend big dollars go for the Alpine SWX-1242D Type-X 12" Competition Subwoofer it has a rms power of 1000 and peak power of 3000 rms (http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_2444.html) also on this site you can get alot of wholesale direct prices. they are in us prices but i found that converted to aud it is still alot cheaper than here. good luck mate

Legend Killer · « **Reply #12 on:** Dec 2, 2006, 09:44PM »

Money Is no Object to me i am willing to spend 3 to 5 thousand on a system that can go good in competitions

Xedus101 · « **Reply #13 on:** Dec 2, 2006, 10:04PM »

Quote from: trx_reece on Dec 2, 2006, 08:09PM

go for treo in the subs. get the treo csx (http://www.treoonline.com/csx.html.) this sub can handle any amp power on the market at the moment. my mate has one and he gets 152 db at the moment. if you dont want to spend big dollars go for the Alpine SWX-1242D Type-X 12" Competition Subwoofer it has a rms power of 1000 and peak power of 3000 rms (http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_2444.html) also on this site you can get alot of wholesale direct prices. they are in us prices but i found that converted to aud it is still alot cheaper than here. good luck mate

If you work out the price of the SWX-1242D sub with shipping to Aus from sonicelectronix.com it's $618.81AUD plus any customs that may be payable. I have that sub for $605AUD shipped with no extra costs.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Alpine-SWX-1242D-12-Subwoofer-Never-Opened_W0QQitemZ300052653089QQihZ020QQcategoryZ18803QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

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Legend Killer · « **Reply #14 on:** Dec 2, 2006, 10:16PM »

has anyone heard the alpine type x...... are they loud if amplified good cause thats all that matters to me.

Jono · « **Reply #15 on:** Dec 2, 2006, 11:03PM »

All subs should be amplified

Ash, your Pioneer head unit would have had a blown ground track, caused by something (amp?) not being grounded properly. If Pioneer head units are installed properly with nice secure grounds they don't have this problem.

Kranzy · « **Reply #16 on:** Dec 2, 2006, 11:09PM »

Quote from: Jono on Dec 2, 2006, 11:03PM

If Pioneer head units are installed properly with nice secure grounds they don't have this problem.

I agree 100%, my pioneer (although cost me $1400) never had any issues regarding ground noise through amps until my car was caught in a flood. Then i had issues with its power supply but still no extra noise through any speakers (all amped).

trx_reece · « **Reply #17 on:** Dec 3, 2006, 05:34PM »

Quote from: Legend Killer on Dec 2, 2006, 09:44PM

Money Is no Object to me i am willing to spend 3 to 5 thousand on a system that can go good in competitions

if going in comps make sure you have a good head unit with pleanty of tuning options. most people try to make their stereos loud for spl or even good for sq but their head units are the whole let down in a system.

Legend Killer · « **Reply #18 on:** Dec 3, 2006, 06:47PM »

Ok so A good Head unit is always a start. But i just wanna know some good brands for subs and amps thats all im curious about sorry to be rude bout it. 1 more question i have heard that some monoblock amps can run two subs is this true???

Kranzy · « **Reply #19 on:** Dec 3, 2006, 06:57PM »

Yeah mono block amps can run more than one sub. But you have to make sure you wiring the system properly. So as an example, if your amp is say 500w rms @ 2ohm then you'll need the load of your subs to equal 2 ohm.

An example for you.

System has:

500w monoblock at 2 ohm
2 x 300 wrms subs at 4 ohm.

if you wire the subs in parallel you will get a 2 ohm load
if you wire the subs in series then you will get an 8 ohm load

The ohm rating on subs cannont change, so the amp will change to match your subs. So the idea is to match the subs to the amp so the amp will perform at its maximum.

Higher end subs you'll find will be dual voice coil which makes wiring a little bit harder but still very do-able.

using the same amp and dual voice coil subs you will get this:

500w monoblock at 2 ohm
2 x 300 wrms subs at dual 2 ohm.

Two ways you can wire this up.

The two voice coils can be wired in series with each other giving each sub a total 4 ohm load, connect the two together in series you'll get a 8 ohm load or in parallel you get a 2 ohm load.

Or wire the vioce coils in parallel giving you a 1 ohm load for each sub, giving the system a 2 ohm load in series or 1 ohm in parallel.

Thats just an example of how you can wire a system up.

Legend Killer · « **Reply #20 on:** Dec 3, 2006, 08:47PM »

thanks guys this is good imformation. What subs and amps would you recommend though? i want to hear other peoples opions before i fork out heaps of money and my friends no nothing lol.

Xedus101 · « **Reply #21 on:** Dec 3, 2006, 11:42PM »

There are dual monoblock amps too. Like the Hifonics XX Colossus II, it delivers 1100w x 2channels @ 2Ohms. Or as Kranzy said you can wire up the subs to achieve this. As i said before if i was building a SPL system i'd probably go with hifonics cos of the power to cost ratio.

omad · « **Reply #22 on:** Dec 4, 2006, 12:06AM »

DD linear subs are pretty much the bees knees for SPL competition.
The main benefit you'd bet out of a better head unit for SPL is that the pre-outs will have a higher voltage output for a stronger signal to the amp.

Rockford stuff IS good. I have one of their dirty great 4 channel amps.. it's pretty nuts. And their subs are also pretty hardcore from what I've seen and heard. I'm not sure on their standard speakers and HU... I think there's better out there for this. Definitely recommend the subs/amps though.

The other thing to really remember though, is that it's only half the equation. The other half is your car and how you utilise the setup. Getting the right ported and tuned box in the right spot for your car etc. To some degree it can be more about finding a sub to suit your enclosure setup/plans etc rather than getting a sub and then thinking about the enclosure. Just depends how far you want to go, really. Talking to a GOOD audio store that knows what they are doing and what they are on about is always a good place to start. Or I'd suggest sussing out your local competitions and talking to some of the competitors as to where to go to find a good place in the know.

As for the X-types, I think you're over streching, perticularly for an SPL setup. I think there's better to be had for SPL applications for a more reasonable price. The kicker solo-barrack square sups are also supposed to be very good for SPL.

ashman01 · « **Reply #23 on:** Dec 4, 2006, 08:48AM »

Quote from: Jono on Dec 2, 2006, 11:03PM

All subs should be amplified

Ash, your Pioneer head unit would have had a blown ground track, caused by something (amp?) not being grounded properly. If Pioneer head units are installed properly with nice secure grounds they don't have this problem.

My cd player wasnt amplified when it was making bad noise. And when it was amped it just made it worse. If ppl had the money to pay for a $100-200 headunit to get installed "properly" then they would pay for a better headunit.

Legend Killer - We need to know what you are trying to go for. SQ - Overall sound quality that sounds nuts but wont give u big numbers in anything or SPL (Big Bass).

If you are going big bass then a couple (or just 1) dd sub will be perfect complimented by there amps will blow most others away. they will even help you make the box for them, http://www.ddaudio.com/dd/default.asp

If you are going for sq then i cant help u cuz i know next to nothing.

omad · « **Reply #24 on:** Dec 4, 2006, 09:10AM »

Quote from: ashman01 on Dec 4, 2006, 08:48AM

My cd player wasnt amplified when it was making bad noise. And when it was amped it just made it worse. If ppl had the money to pay for a $100-200 headunit to get installed "properly" then they would pay for a better headunit.

That'd be because the noise is being amplified... by the amplifier

Speakers always sound richer, cleaner, clearer and the sound is more pronounced when running off an amp as opposed to a HU. It also does the same thing to adverse noise. As has been discussed here (I think?) previously, some of the older Pioneers had an issue with noise. It was a defect in the units, not the installation

Legend Killer · « **Reply #25 on:** Dec 4, 2006, 11:04AM »

Yeah i want bass heaps of it but i also want it to sound clean. I have been looking out the DD range for a while now but cannot find anywhere that sells them in australia so if anyone has sites it would be apprectiated.

ashman01 · « **Reply #26 on:** Dec 4, 2006, 12:48PM »

http://www.caraudioaustralia.com/forums/ - go on there and talk to DD_Phil. He is the importer for aus so he will be able to talk to u about where the closest retailer is to u or you might be able to get them straight from him.

I have some DLS speakers in my car and they are as clear as. I would recommend looking into them as well.

omad · « **Reply #27 on:** Dec 4, 2006, 04:13PM »

Quote from: Legend Killer on Dec 4, 2006, 11:04AM

Yeah i want bass heaps of it but i also want it to sound clean. I have been looking out the DD range for a while now but cannot find anywhere that sells them in australia so if anyone has sites it would be apprectiated.

I would really recommend heading to a good established audio store and seeing if they will let you listen to a couple of their cars/customer cars to see what you're after. Or heading to an SPL day etc. Sound boards in a store are OK for a general idea, but it's in the car you really hear the difference of the setups. If you're going to outlay that much cash, you really want to make sure you're getting a good deal and also getting exactly what you want.

At the end of the day it's your ears. I mean, I think I have heaps of bass for what I want, but it only hits ~132db which is fairly small on the SPL scale. But I want it more for music listening than bass madness.

trx_reece · « **Reply #28 on:** Dec 4, 2006, 08:32PM »

if you go for the class d mono make sure you use 4-0 guage power cable otherwise you will blow the voltage regulaters. this is caused by too much voltage drop.if you are not worried bout the $ i would personally go for the treo csx you wont be dissapointed.

Legend Killer · « **Reply #29 on:** Dec 6, 2006, 09:52AM »

hey Xedus101 if your reading this could you Pm me a price of a nice two channel amp that has heaps of power that is hifonics mate i think i might go with that and two DD subs.

omad · « **Reply #30 on:** Dec 6, 2006, 10:31PM »

Quote from: Legend Killer on Dec 6, 2006, 09:52AM

hey Xedus101 if your reading this could you Pm me a price of a nice two channel amp that has heaps of power that is hifonics mate i think i might go with that and two DD subs.

The best things for subs is a D-Class monoblock. It's far more effecient than an A-B class 2 channel amp and getting one big enough to run 2 subs effectively would usually be cheaper than getting a 2 channel to do the same job.

JelloBello · « **Reply #31 on:** Dec 6, 2006, 10:37PM »

Quote from: Xedus101 on Dec 3, 2006, 11:42PM

There are dual monoblock amps too. Like the Hifonics XX Colossus II, it delivers 1100w x 2channels @ 2Ohms. Or as Kranzy said you can wire up the subs to achieve this. As i said before if i was building a SPL system i'd probably go with hifonics cos of the power to cost ratio.

Quote from: Legend Killer on Dec 6, 2006, 09:52AM

hey Xedus101 if your reading this could you Pm me a price of a nice two channel amp that has heaps of power that is hifonics mate i think i might go with that and two DD subs.

I think he's talking about the dual monoblocks???

Legend Killer · « **Reply #32 on:** Dec 6, 2006, 11:31PM »

Umm not really sure see i wont have the money till next year cause i just bought a new pc i just wanna know a rough price of a Amp that can run Two DD subs so i can be heard from a mile away lol.

BILL*69 · « **Reply #33 on:** Dec 7, 2006, 07:30AM »

Quote from: Legend Killer on Dec 6, 2006, 11:31PM

Umm not really sure see i wont have the money till next year cause i just bought a new pc i just wanna know a rough price of a Amp that can run Two DD subs so i can be heard from a mile away lol.

Therefore meaning do not drive within a mile of the cop shop?

omad · « **Reply #34 on:** Dec 7, 2006, 10:05AM »

Quote from: JelloBello on Dec 6, 2006, 10:37PM

I think he's talking about the dual monoblocks???

I don't know how prices would compare, but when you start spending large on a monoblock, you can get a lot of power out of them at 2ohm, or even more down to 1 ohm. Just have to make sure you match up the subs and amp configuration correctly

At the end of the day, as long as you're happy and the subs are adequately powered it makes little difference. Just mentioning the alternatives

ashman01 · « **Reply #35 on:** Dec 7, 2006, 10:28AM »

Quote from: omad on Dec 4, 2006, 04:13PM

I would really recommend heading to a good established audio store and seeing if they will let you listen to a couple of their cars/customer cars to see what you're after. Or heading to an SPL day etc. Sound boards in a store are OK for a general idea, but it's in the car you really hear the difference of the setups. If you're going to outlay that much cash, you really want to make sure you're getting a good deal and also getting exactly what you want.

At the end of the day it's your ears. I mean, I think I have heaps of bass for what I want, but it only hits ~132db which is fairly small on the SPL scale. But I want it more for music listening than bass madness.

Couldnt agree more. Sound boards dont mean anything these days. Has anyone ever wondered why most/all the speakers on a sound board sound pretty much the same but there always seems to be 1 ourstanding sounding speaker. I always think there is foul play.

I suggest going to sound offs and asking a pro at a reputable car audio store what he thinks would suit u.

Sticky · « **Reply #36 on:** Dec 7, 2006, 10:16PM »

the reason why sound boards sound good is because the speaker is mounted properly, is well sealed in an enclosure and are firing straight at your face, theres on "foul play" envolved.

all it really comes down to is personal preference, everyones ears are different.

Jono · « **Reply #37 on:** Dec 7, 2006, 10:58PM »

Get a monoblock amp, more efficient and better suited to running subs.

Xedus101 · « **Reply #38 on:** Dec 8, 2006, 02:34PM »

Quote from: Jono on Dec 7, 2006, 10:58PM

Get a monoblock amp, more efficient and better suited to running subs.

Yeah for sure. The hifonics amp i suggested is a DUAL monoblock not a 2 channel amp if people were confused.

ashman01 · « **Reply #39 on:** Dec 10, 2006, 08:16PM »

Quote from: Sticky on Dec 7, 2006, 10:16PM

the reason why sound boards sound good is because the speaker is mounted properly, is well sealed in an enclosure and are firing straight at your face, theres on "foul play" envolved.

all it really comes down to is personal preference, everyones ears are different.

And do speakers in a car ever get any of those things? They are not in ur face, most are in doors (not enclosed). Also what i dont like is the change in voltage and ampage. are speaker boards running off 12, 14 or 15 volts.

Cru1se_Missle · « **Reply #40 on:** Dec 10, 2006, 11:28PM »

For your budget, Alpine PDX 1.1000 and 2 Type X 12.
If you want stoopid spl, Cerwin Vega Stroker 15, just 1 will do please unless you wana be tone deaf
Not only does the Cerwin wins hands down for spl, also for SQ and it also won the Sound & Image award.
Have you also factored in the install cost? Hope your not buyin 5gs worth of gear and takin it to stratties for install.
Have you also considered sound deadening, caps, wiring etc etc? i could go on and on....

Sticky · « **Reply #41 on:** Dec 11, 2006, 08:03AM »

Quote from: ashman01 on Dec 10, 2006, 08:16PM

And do speakers in a car ever get any of those things? They are not in ur face, most are in doors (not enclosed). Also what i dont like is the change in voltage and ampage. are speaker boards running off 12, 14 or 15 volts.

no, most cars would never be mounted so that they were facing you, but its designed so that the customer can get an idea of what the speak will sound like compare to another model.

in any good setup, a door would be as enclosed as possible (sound deadening).

sound boards run at 12v constant, i dont know what you are on ash....or where you got your info from, all our sound boards run off an oddessy battery and are charged via power inverter or power supply

ashman01 · « **Reply #42 on:** Dec 11, 2006, 08:58AM »

Quote from: Sticky on Dec 11, 2006, 08:03AM

no, most cars would never be mounted so that they were facing you, but its designed so that the customer can get an idea of what the speak will sound like compare to another model.

in any good setup, a door would be as enclosed as possible (sound deadening).

sound boards run at 12v constant, i dont know what you are on ash....or where you got your info from, all our sound boards run off an oddessy battery and are charged via power inverter or power supply

Still wouldnt trust a sound board. You should always try to listen to somthing already setup in a car before you make a massive desion like that. Also i dont think stratfield have 5g's of audio stuff you can buy (not including HU) so you have nothing to worry about stick.

Kranzy · « **Reply #43 on:** Dec 11, 2006, 02:38PM »

Quote from: ashman01 on Dec 11, 2006, 08:58AM

Also i dont think stratfield have 5g's of audio stuff you can buy (not including HU) so you have nothing to worry about stick.

top of the range MTX gear...enough said.

ashman01 · « **Reply #44 on:** Dec 11, 2006, 03:20PM »

Quote from: Kranzy on Dec 11, 2006, 02:38PM

top of the range MTX gear...enough said.

I heard that mtx gear was just a cheap rebrand of some top end brand? Is this tru?

Sticky · « **Reply #45 on:** Dec 11, 2006, 08:14PM »

Quote from: ashman01 on Dec 11, 2006, 08:58AM

Still wouldnt trust a sound board. You should always try to listen to somthing already setup in a car before you make a massive desion like that. Also i dont think stratfield have 5g's of audio stuff you can buy (not including HU) so you have nothing to worry about stick.

there are far to many variables when listen to products in a car, on a sound board, its minimizes the amount of variable that can affect the way a product sounds. its the most sterile enviroment, albeit not the most accurate for sound reproduction compared to what i would sound like in a car, they are there to give you an idea of what it will sound like.

Quote from: ashman01 on Dec 11, 2006, 03:20PM

I heard that mtx gear was just a cheap rebrand of some top end brand? Is this tru?

where do you get some of your info from ash? it never ceases to amaze me. one MTX amp alone is $3200

MTX is made by a company called Mitek, MTX and Mitek were founded by a gent called Loyd Ivey, one the most respect individuals in the car audio industry, other companies that are under the Mitek flag are Coustic, Xtant and streetwires to name a few, mitek and MTX have been at the pointy end of audio for over 30 years

ashman01 · « **Reply #46 on:** Dec 11, 2006, 10:17PM »

Quote from: Sticky on Dec 11, 2006, 08:14PM

there are far to many variables when listen to products in a car, on a sound board, its minimizes the amount of variable that can affect the way a product sounds. its the most sterile enviroment, albeit not the most accurate for sound reproduction compared to what i would sound like in a car, they are there to give you an idea of what it will sound like.

where do you get some of your info from ash? it never ceases to amaze me. one MTX amp alone is $3200

MTX is made by a company called Mitek, MTX and Mitek were founded by a gent called Loyd Ivey, one the most respect individuals in the car audio industry, other companies that are under the Mitek flag are Coustic, Xtant and streetwires to name a few, mitek and MTX have been at the pointy end of audio for over 30 years

All those brands are so highly respected

. I get my info from experience, friends and people in the industy. My question for u stick, is where do u get your info from. Spec sheets that the manufacturers send you and stratfield?

Sticky · « **Reply #47 on:** Dec 11, 2006, 10:31PM »

you may not respect them, but theres a hell of a lot of people out there that do, just because u havent heard of them dont mean that the arent good.

You get your info from exerience? from my experience with your experience, it aint that much, and most if the time rather inaccurate. if you actually had experience in the industry you would know that manufactuerers dont send out spec sheets, i get most of my info from the queensland Custom car sound rep, one of only 2 people in queensland with IASCA (International Auto Sound Challenge Association) qualifications, and from our fitter, between them have almost 30years car audio experience. The rest of my info i gather through first hand knowledge.

and its stratHfield not stratfield

Jono · « **Reply #48 on:** Dec 11, 2006, 10:46PM »

Quote from: ashman01 on Dec 11, 2006, 03:20PM

I heard that mtx gear was just a cheap rebrand of some top end brand? Is this tru?

If it was a cheap rebrand of top end gear I'd be buying it...

But yeah, I'd definitely spend the ~$700 on a set of TXC6.1 splits. They're the best 6.5" speaker I've heard yet.

Cru1se_Missle · « **Reply #49 on:** Dec 11, 2006, 11:18PM »

Quote from: Jono on Dec 11, 2006, 10:46PM

But yeah, I'd definitely spend the ~$700 on a set of TXC6.1 splits. They're the best 6.5" speaker I've heard yet.

jono if your ever blessed with the chance of hearing the Rainbow brand, take a seat and enjoy the ride...
best hand made german car audio speaker bar none.

omad · « **Reply #50 on:** Dec 12, 2006, 01:35AM »

Quote from: Jono on Dec 11, 2006, 10:46PM

If it was a cheap rebrand of top end gear I'd be buying it...

But yeah, I'd definitely spend the ~$700 on a set of TXC6.1 splits. They're the best 6.5" speaker I've heard yet.

$700? No offence, but I think I'd be shopping for something a bit better than MTX for that price.

Sound boards are good for a general idea/comparison and that's all. There's more variables that would differ from a sound board to a car, rather than from one car to another.

borgtj · « **Reply #51 on:** Dec 12, 2006, 04:23AM »

Eclipse,if i had that kind of cash to blow(had there old name in my AMC Spirit- Fujitsu Ten)

ashman01 · « **Reply #52 on:** Dec 12, 2006, 10:59AM »

Quote from: Sticky on Dec 11, 2006, 10:31PM

you may not respect them, but theres a hell of a lot of people out there that do, just because u havent heard of them dont mean that the arent good.

You get your info from exerience? from my experience with your experience, it aint that much, and most if the time rather inaccurate. if you actually had experience in the industry you would know that manufactuerers dont send out spec sheets, i get most of my info from the queensland Custom car sound rep, one of only 2 people in queensland with IASCA (International Auto Sound Challenge Association) qualifications, and from our fitter, between them have almost 30years car audio experience. The rest of my info i gather through first hand knowledge.

and its stratHfield not stratfield

Why do you blow up at me all the time stick? Then give me bad karma just for giving my opinion. Whoopido i dont have years of "retail" experience selling speakers. I can still say what my opinion is. If you took the time to read, i have never (to my knowlage) said you were wrong, simply i asked questions and given my advice. Take it or leave but i dont force things on people. Oh and im so so sorry for spelling the name of your work wrong..... I will call it straties from now on.

I also have 2-3 friends in your line of work who have told me lots of interesting stories about reps of car audio brands and how dodgy they are but i wont say it because chances are that they wont be your rep so i dont want you giving me more bad karma for no reason.

BILL*69 · « **Reply #53 on:** Dec 12, 2006, 11:26AM »

Every Strathfield store has at least one excellent installer and car audio expert, but some have more. I know because the Strathfield down the road from me has one guy telling me his straioght out opinion and facts, and the rest just trying to make a sale. One of the reps told me that they all follow his command on installations, and advice to give customers. Strathfield is actually more than crack it up to be.

Sticky · « **Reply #54 on:** Dec 12, 2006, 05:34PM »

Quote from: ashman01 on Dec 12, 2006, 10:59AM

Why do you blow up at me all the time stick? Then give me bad karma just for giving my opinion. Whoopido i dont have years of "retail" experience selling speakers. I can still say what my opinion is. If you took the time to read, i have never (to my knowlage) said you were wrong, simply i asked questions and given my advice. Take it or leave but i dont force things on people. Oh and im so so sorry for spelling the name of your work wrong..... I will call it straties from now on.

I also have 2-3 friends in your line of work who have told me lots of interesting stories about reps of car audio brands and how dodgy they are but i wont say it because chances are that they wont be your rep so i dont want you giving me more bad karma for no reason.

You dont voice your opinion, you make assumptions and comments based on what someone has told you, not on the hard facts, thats what annoys me. i dont go selling shit to people if they dont want it, i recommend stuff that i would personally use, and more times than not, it doesnt end in a sale, but it gains respect from the customer in that im not trying to sell them shit, they come back and buy the better stuff.

once again though, it all comes down to user preference, even though a product may be tops, mr x doesnt like it because they like a different brand

Jono · « **Reply #55 on:** Dec 13, 2006, 01:10AM »

I haven't heard Rainbows, I make a point of listening to any exotic brands of speaker that I come into contact with, so I'll probably hear a set sooner or later.

But again, I'm gonna say it's down to personal preference.

You don't buy a piece of artwork because it's true to life... e.g. a caricature.